Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:30:09 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #356 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Push Daggers (Bob Steele) 2. stick vs. knife? (hotmail-jacque) 3. Filipino man kills a man in Madrid (Francisco j. Gomez) 4. Bring your wife!???! (Sunny Graff) 5. Re: Stick 'n Knife (jonbroster@another.co.uk) 6. UPDATES (jonbroster@another.co.uk) 7. Re: 2nd European FMA Festival (abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de) 8. Hilot in Midwest (GatPuno@aol.com) 9. Self Defense & Laws on the Other Side of the Lake (Khalkee@netscape.net) 10. Re: 2nd FMA-Festival in Germany (Joseph Camins) 11. Re: stick vs. knife? (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Bob Steele" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Push Daggers Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:33:58 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In his videos, Lynn Thompson pans any small knives. He even considers boot knives marginal. I think that most push daggers fall into that category. He does say that any knife is better than no knife. However if you're going to the trouble to carry a fighting knife, why carry a small one. Bob Steele ----- Original Message ----- From: "norm rayos" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 11:33 PM Subject: [Eskrima] Push Daggers > Does anyone have any thoughts on the pros and cons of " push daggers " ? > Generally when I ask other escrimadors or people who train with knives they > do not have much to say. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Share your photos without swamping your Inbox. Get Hotmail Extra Storage > today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1700 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "hotmail-jacque" To: Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 23:19:44 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] stick vs. knife? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The answers to the stick vs. knife thread have been interesting. Let me ask this queston in another way, limiting the variables: If you had to fight yourself, which weapon (28" hardwood stick vs 6" knife) would you choose? Personally, I'd choose the stick. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Francisco j. Gomez" To: Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:26:05 +0200 Subject: [Eskrima] Filipino man kills a man in Madrid Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 03:25:56 -0700 (PDT) >From: Felipe Jocano >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Filipino man kills a man in Madrid >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >A question: was he arrested for possession of the >knife or for killing and wounding the muggers? Bot It is probably that the Filipino used the knife of one of the attackers, there are some news that claim this. In Spain as in many other countries (I think), if you kill a man although in self defence, you are going to be arrested. And you will have to demonstrate that the people who attacked you could have wounded you. _________________________________________________________________ Dale rienda suelta a tu tiempo libre. Encuentra mil ideas para exprimir tu ocio con MSN Entretenimiento. http://entretenimiento.msn.es/ --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Sunny Graff" To: Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:37:45 +0200 Subject: [Eskrima] Bring your wife!???! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Bring your wife???? Sigh..... Reading this in the best possible light, I assume you meant to especially invite all the wonderful talented female practitioners and teachers of FMA, who are also on this digest. Yes, I'm sure that's what you meant, since this is a great event, not to be missed! See you there! Sunny ----- Original Message ----- > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 20:28:40 +0200 > From: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de >> Subject: [Eskrima] 2nd FMA-Festival in Germany > > So you could come perhaps with your wife, have the FMA-Festival, make 5 > days of sightseeing in Germany/Europe and then have another high class > Modern Arnis seminar. > Dieter Knüttel > Datu of Modern Arnis > Co-Organizer of the 2nd FMA-Festival in Germany > > > -- __--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > http://eskrima-fma.net > Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. > > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com > Standard disclaimers apply. > Remember September 11. > > End of Eskrima Digest > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.525 / Virus Database: 322 - Release Date: 09.10.2003 --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:16:16 +0100 (BST) From: jonbroster@another.co.uk To: eskrima digest < eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Stick 'n Knife Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, There are 2 things you need to weigh up here: 1. Are you capable of beating off a wild, knife-wielding attacker with a stick? Remember, if he makes a mistake he gets a sore head/broken arm etc; if you make a mistake you get a knife in the gut! 2. Are you capable of using a knife to stop a wild, stick-wielding attacker? Remember, if he is not quite as wild as you first thought, he might well use the length of the stick to fight you from range and smash that knife right out of your hand! Looks like you're stuck between a rock and a hard place here. Just my 2p worth. Jon There's nothing more dangerous than a blunt knife! http://www.geocities.com/jonbroster -- Personalised email by http://another.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:20:22 +0100 (BST) From: jonbroster@another.co.uk To: eskrima digest < eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] UPDATES Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, I have spent the past few days updating my website. Now there are: more technique sequences instructions for making padded sticks plans for a wooden dummy a cool animated Phillipines flag FMA book and video reviews updated contact information up-to-date diary entries See you there Jon There's nothing more dangerous than a blunt knife! http://www.geocities.com/jonbroster -- Personalised email by http://another.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:28:28 +0200 From: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dieter_Kn=FCttel?=) Organization: Abanico To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: 2nd European FMA Festival Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >From: "Bill Lowery" > > >>If you have any questions, don´t hesitate to write or send me an e-mail to: datu@modernarnis.de >> >> >Hi Dieter, > > I just emailed Alfred about the instructors, so your information is timely! > Great > What is the cost of hotel rooms in Dortmund? > You should be able to get it for 60 - 80 Euro, but just go to http://www.dortmund.de/ and then click the "Welcome" sign, then you will have information about Dortmund in english. I am sure, you will also be able to find hotels there. The hall is near the Soccerstadion "Westfalenstadion", a little south of the center of Dortmund at the Freeway "B54". But just a south. > One of my students will be coming, and she speaks German very well - >she's already warned me that she intends to state the I've offered to fight >all of the instructors!!!! THIS IS NOT TRUE!!!!!! ;-) > We don´t care if it is true or not. We take the rumors for granted. That we have another attraction for the Gala at night, we make the lineup of the Masters for your fights so, that is will take place during the best time at the Gala? ;-) (only joking, it would be nice if you and some of your students could come). And of course everybody from other countries too. Soon you cen see the new poster for the 2004 Festival on the website http://www.fma-festival.de Till soon Dieter --__--__-- Message: 8 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:05:05 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Hilot in Midwest Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 10/10/2003 7:01:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > > Just Wondering who might be teaching Hilot in the Midwest area. I am > starting > to dive into the internal aspects of the MA's now. Time to heal all the crap > I > broke. > > > Rocky > Rocky, Kaibigan, I have Seminar in Chicago next weekend, and the first weekend of November in Wisconsin, and The third weekend of November in St Louis Misouri. If you can try to catch me up on one of this Seminar, I am willing to share the "Hilot" knowledge that we have. We can work together as Filipino Martial Artist to promote "Hilot" everywhere. And all of practitioner that interested in "Hilot Only" Seminar please contact me and we can arrange all the materials just for you. Be part of the the Hilot Research Center USA now. You will be the judge how effective this healing art as well as how you can hurt someone for just knowing the major and minor points of Hilot. Rocky, Well I hope you can make it one of this seminar. If not let see if we can set something up a small "Clinic"in your area. Think about it and contact me okay? Salamat, Thank you, Yours in the arts, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA E-mail: gatpuno@aol.com Website: garimot.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:58:57 -0400 From: Khalkee@netscape.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Self Defense & Laws on the Other Side of the Lake Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >I would be happy that others don't enforce their values on us. All due respect to you Pat. For my own copntributions to this thread I can only say that they were/are addressed solely to life here in the USA. Altho some experiences generalize independent of culture, I can only address the situation in America. Taking humanistic license with interpretations and responses to what we read about Mr. Martin's plight is not in any way an imposition or enforcement of values on someone else ... it's just commentary ... which doesn't affect you at or any other Briton in any way. Speaking of enforcing values, heck mon, we got Federal judges ovah heeyah imposing Euro values vis-a-vis same-gender "stuff" with total disregard for our Constitution ... and the People just take it [dangit]. OK, that's all that I'm going to say about that ... after all this is FMA-land, back to topic!:-) Mitakuye Oyasin. Be well, Mik __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. 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Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Joseph Camins" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] 2nd FMA-Festival in Germany Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:59:52 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Just a slight correction on a typo: It's Sonny Umpad of Visayan Escrima/Corto Kadena Thanks, Joji ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dieter Knüttel" To: Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 11:28 Subject: [Eskrima] 2nd FMA-Festival in Germany > Hello everybody, > > I would just like to tell you all, that the preparations for the 2nd > FMA-Festival are going on well. > > We will host it at the 6th/7th od March 2004 in Dortmund/Germany. > > Here again the list of the planned instructors, that will be coming (in > no particular order): > > > GM Diony Canete (10. Dan Doce Pares Escrima, Philippines) > GM Ondo Carburnay (Lapunti Arnis de Abanico, Philippines) > GM Bobby Taboada (Balintawak, USA) > Senior Master Samuel Dulay (7th Dan Modern Arnis, Philippines) > Datu Dieter Knüttel (7th Dan Modern Arnis, Germany) > Guro Udo Müller (Inosanto Kali, Germany) > Guro Franz Stroevens (5. Dan Doce Pares Escrima, Nederlands) > Guro Marc Denny (Dog Brother System, USA) > Guro Marc Wiley (Integrated Escrima, USA) > Guro Bob Breen (Inosanto Kali, Great Britain) > Guro Bob Dubljanin (Buka Jalan Pentjak Silat, Escrima, Kali, Germany) > Guro Raoul Gianuzzi (Lapunti Arnis de Abanico, Luxemburg) > Punong-Guro Julio Felices (Felices Kali, Philippines/Germany) > Guro Wolfgang Müller (Lameco Escrima, Germany) > GM Toni Veeck (Balintawak Arnis,Germany) > Masirib Guro Jeff Espinous (Kali Sikaran, France) > Guro Sunny Umpad (Visayan Style Cortoo Kadena Escrima, USA) > Masirib Guro Emanuel Hart (Inayan Eskrima, USA/France) > Guro Krishna Godhania (Warrior Eskrima, England) > Guro Visayo Balinado (Balinado Escrima Pangamut, Philippines/Germany) > > Special Guest Star: Master Roland Dantes (8th Dan Modern Arnis, > Philippines/Australia) > > We will teach at least 6 lessons at the same time. > > Please go to > http://www.fma-festival.de > to find out more details. > > The price is unbeatable: If you pay this year still, it is only 125 > Euro, which is with the todays exchange rate less than 150 US $. > > If you pay until February, it is only 175 US$ and when you pay at the > door it is 205 US$. Saturday night dinner and FMA-Show/Gala included!!! > > There are also group discounts to further drop the rate for 5-9 People > and 10 and more people (you find that on the website) > > Now if this is not a deal, then I don´t know. > > > Anyway, for all Modern Arnis practitioners, I have an additional reason > to go to Germany in March 2004: > > The weekend right after the festival, the 13th /14th of March 2004, we > will have a Modern Arnis Semiar with > > Senior Master Roland Dantes, 8th Dan Modern Arnis from Melbourne/Australia, > Senior Master Samuel "Bambit" Dulay, 7th Dan Modern Arnis from > Manila/Philippies and with myself, > Datu Dieter Knüttel, 7th Dan Modern Arnis here from Germany. > > there will be another 8 - 10 hour of purely Modern Arnis instruction on > tat weekend too. Cost are not fixed yet, but they will be well below 100 > US$ for that weekend. > > So you could come perhaps with your wife, have the FMA-Festival, make 5 > days of sightseeing in Germany/Europe and then have another high class > Modern Arnis seminar. > > We would really enjoy to have also some visitors from the US and other > countries participating at the this festival. > > See under > > http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=679 > > for a review of the first festival. > > It will be a real deal. An experience of a lifetime. Make new friend in > Europe and come to the 2nd FMA-Festival to Germany. > > Hope to see you there. > > > If you have any questions, don´t hesitate to write or send me an e-mail > to datu@modernarnis.de > > > > Dieter Knüttel > Datu of Modern Arnis > Co-Organizer of the 2nd FMA-Festival in Germany > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1700 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] stick vs. knife? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:21:39 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > The answers to the stick vs. knife thread have been interesting. Let me ask > this queston in another way, limiting the variables: If you had to fight > yourself, which weapon (28" hardwood stick vs 6" knife) would you choose? > Personally, I'd choose the stick. If I'm fighting myself, then I get both... :) Ray "Confused" Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest