Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:39:08 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #357 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Sibling Adage (Khalkee@netscape.net) 2. Maori (Khalkee@netscape.net) 3. 2nd FMA-Festival (abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de) 4. Re: Re:Stick and knife (Sonny Padilla) 5. Re: Maori (Ray Terry) 6. Its the carpenter, not the hammer (Marc Denny) 7. Inquiring minds want to know (Marc Denny) 8. Re: A killer on killing (Richard KILLICK) 9. push dagger (Stephen Lamade) 10. stick & knife (Francis Serrano) 11. stick knive (Rob Viglione) 12. Re: Maori (troy bates) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:30:36 -0400 From: Khalkee@netscape.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Sibling Adage Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Re: neighbors and helping . . . My oldest sibling once told me: "You don't hurt someone whom you're trying to help." This helped shape my thinking about training/teaching my humble renditions of various disciplines. To it I add for those who hear me: "Don't help anyone who would try to hurt you." ... and the holy man swami teacher told me: "This is the business plane." [Bhu Loka] ... and the kung fu killer :-) teacher told me: "You, whatevuh you doing, you always being business." Business first, business last, business throughout. __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:42:44 -0400 From: Khalkee@netscape.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Maori Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I'm also interested in the Maori dance. A practitioner of Polynesian fighting suggested "Once We Were Warriors". Haven't seen it yet, but it's probably an excerpt/incomplete footage? __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:01:26 +0200 From: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dieter_Kn=FCttel?=) Organization: Abanico To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] 2nd FMA-Festival Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >From: "Sunny Graff" >Bring your wife???? Sigh..... Reading this in the best possible light, I >assume you meant to especially invite all the wonderful talented female >practitioners and teachers of FMA, who are also on this digest. >Yes, I'm sure that's what you meant, since this is a great event, not to be >missed! See you there! >Sunny > > Hi Sunny, for I had invited EVERYBODY to the Festival, not only males, all thes wonderful females instructors and practitioners (is there a female form of that in the english language?) were already invited. What I ment, and I should have of course used other words, bring your partner/in, husband wife who ever is important in your life and may say: You fly to Europe to do your martial art and leave me here. I ment, bring them along and combine holidays and sightseeing with martial arts seminars. If they are doing martial arts too, bring them along too of course. >Just a slight correction on a typo: > >It's Sonny Umpad of Visayan Escrima/Corto Kadena > >Thanks, >Joji > You are right, I know. Just a typo. We just finished correcting the poster where we corrected just that. I just did nor read throug in again because I was in a hurry. Thanks for the correction. Regards Dieter --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Sonny Padilla" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re:Stick and knife Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:19:32 -0600 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net My decision will be based on my assessment at the time of encounter, if I happen to get the knife so be it and vice versa, however, use whatever you get to the best of your advatage. I will also try my very best to prevent the killer from obtaining any if given the opportunity. Sonny Padilla Kali Ilustrisimo >From: Ray Terry >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re:Stick and knife >Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:13:56 -0700 (PDT) > > > This question/senario has been dropped before but I thought it might be > > interesting as I havnt seen it in while. > > Hypothectic: > > You and a killer are locked in a room,in the middle of the room is >both a > > stick and a knife,you make a run for a weapon( you can only pick up one >for > > the sake of the argument)ok which one do you pick up knowing the killer >will > > get the other and you will fight till death? > > Im all ears!!!!!! > >Kinda depends on what type of knife and what type of stick... > >In a choice between something like a Gerber Mark II vs. a 12" stick, I'd >take the Gerber. > >But a Swiss Army knife vs. a 28" Bahi stick, I'd take the stick. > >Others??? > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 1700 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Maori To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:08:43 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > I'm also interested in the Maori dance. A practitioner of Polynesian > fighting suggested "Once We Were Warriors". Haven't seen it yet, but > it's probably an excerpt/incomplete footage? There is a bit of footage of the dance in that flick. The movie is more about the current day struggle of the Maori, alcohol abuse, etc. Less about the history, martial arts, etc. But well worth watching. You can sometimes find it on the late night cable movie channels. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:15:49 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Its the carpenter, not the hammer Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: Bob writes: > In his videos, Lynn Thompson pans any small knives. > He even considers boot knives marginal. > I think that most push daggers fall into that category. > > He does say that any knife is better than no knife. > > However if you're going to the trouble to carry a fighting > knife, why carry a small one? Um, because you're more likely to actually carry it? Lynn makes some really sharp blades and assuming you are in an active situation yes a Vaquero may be preferable to a karambit, but there are times and places that carrying a Vaquero would really grab attention and not only from the authorities-- its been a while since I've been on the dating scene, but I think it safe to say that a rather substantial percentage of single women getting to know a man might find that Vaquero more than a little disconcerting. The technique of a larger knife and of a smaller knife may be substantially different in important respects (a point well made by Bill McGrath when he previewed here an article he wrote about this very point) and in a knife duel on the field of honor at dawn the larger would probably be the way to go, but with the proper understanding and training a small knife (folder/kerambit/boot knife) can make a huge difference in many self-defense scenarios. JMHO. Crafty Dog --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:20:32 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Inquiring minds want to know Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof: > > Simple I would go for the knife, I could stand getting hit with a stick as > > i crash into grappling range. I've been hit with an oak stick at full force > > and was able to keep going... Where in the head? What angle? Size of stick? Abilities of swinger of stick? Inquiring minds want to know , , , Crafty Dog --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Richard KILLICK" To: Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:22:04 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: A killer on killing Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Hi, > > There are 2 things you need to weigh up here: > > 1. Are you capable of beating off a wild, knife-wielding attacker with a stick? > > Remember, if he makes a mistake he gets a sore head/broken arm etc; if you make a mistake you get a knife in the gut! Good point however the flip side on that coin is, he gets a sore head and is then killed whilst he is unconscious. I would argue that if you go against a knife (even someone untrained) with any less than a killer mind set, your get hurt. By that I mean to say in the above scenario you should go for the kill and if he survives with just a sore head it is not due to you not trying to cave his head in. > 2. Are you capable of using a knife to stop a wild, stick-wielding attacker? > > Remember, if he is not quite as wild as you first thought, he might well use the length of the stick to fight you from range and smash that knife right out of your hand! > > Looks like you're stuck between a rock and a hard place here. True, we live in a world where anything can happen to anyone, indeed I have seen a team of our elite special forces run from a very poorly trained enemy and a grand mother with a shot gun winning the fire fight against a section of Para troopers. I would say that our training should be geared to us doing the best we can in any given situation. When I was training to be an officer in the army in the UK, some of the tests involved advancing to contact even though the odds of survival where very bad. Some times in life your going to kill some and then be killed yourself. Very interesting to watch yourself on the video afterwards as people your in charge of, get killed around you. I have always liked Kali schools like the Sayac Brothers who also teach their students how to deal with knife wounds etc. How many of us train that even at a basic level? Two years ago I came across a woman in the local car park who was out cold after being mugged. She is the head of a major UK charity and the police say I saved her life. The only facet of my martial arts skills that saved her was knowing how and having dealt with people who had been knocked out in a stick fights and boxing. I like debating scenarios, good thread and posts. Richard Killick --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Stephen Lamade" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:29:36 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] push dagger Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Re. Push daggers: In my opinion they are a specific weapon for a specific purpose: a concealable, short-range “back up” weapon for when a longer weapon is not available. Advantages: (1) Tend to stay in a closed fist and are difficult to disarm; (2) Can be utilized as an extension of any punch art that you've learned, without altering the mechanic of the delivery. In this regard, two are better than one; (3) When used in punching, the shock of the delivery tends to travel from the palm and wrist, up the arm to the shoulder without the hand sliding up the handle or the knife coming out between your thumb and forefinger (see, however, DA #2 and #3, below); (4) Very concealable and easy to get to. Disadvantages: (1) Are generally not as useful for slashing; (2) The steel tang that goes between your fingers is often too thick on a commercial knife and will bruise/cut your fingers; (3) Ditto for the handle, which should be pared down if you cannot close your fist tightly; (4) Will get you arrested, since there's no doubt in the LEO's mind about your intent when carrying them... With respect to DA #1, longer push daggers are available, but why carry a long push dagger when you could just as well carry a long knife or dagger? For that matter... With respect to DA #4, a small pair of scissors will probably serve you better for cutting articles out of the newspaper... Best, Steve Lamade _________________________________________________________________ Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95. https://broadband.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Francis Serrano" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:42:55 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] stick & knife Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Fellow Eskrimadors, Now here is the thing with that subject... Many have asked for types of knife and or type of baton it was. But folks, if you were in a room with a killer and there is 1 stick and 1 knife. Do you really have time to think what type of knife and or baston it is??? Francis -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search http://corp.mail.com/careers --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:00:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Rob Viglione To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] stick knive Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net let him try to pick up the one he wants, and destroy him empty hand while he is reaching for it. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:04:58 -0700 (PDT) From: troy bates Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Maori To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Might I also suggest you view the movie "Broken English" as well. Khalkee@netscape.net wrote:I'm also interested in the Maori dance. A practitioner of Polynesian fighting suggested "Once We Were Warriors". Haven't seen it yet, but it's probably an excerpt/incomplete footage? __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 1700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! 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