Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 06:00:28 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #359 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Maori dance resources link (gordon walker) 2. Maori Dance (Sonny Pascual) 3. fighting knives? (jason couture) 4. Hammer and Carpenter Part 3 (Marc Denny) 5. Re: fighting knives? (Ray Terry) 6. Small Blades (POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com) 7. Knife or Stick (federicomalibago@earthlink.net) 8. push daggers (norm rayos) 9. Re: Small Blades (Bob Steele) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 02:48:38 -0400 (EDT) From: gordon walker To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Maori dance resources link Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net hi, In regards to the thread on Maori Dance. http://www.nzqa.govt.nz/for-maori/resources/mpa/nmd/resources.html Hope it helps. Gord --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Sonny Pascual" To: Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 00:38:16 -1000 Subject: [Eskrima] Maori Dance Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Aloha! Ray, I have some knowledge of the Maori dance that you speak of, since I'm from Hawaii I've danced Tahitian, Hawaiian, Maori, Samoan, Fijian etc...The Maoris are a strong race from New Zealand and at one time the Maoris were cannibals...The dance is aggressive displaying motions typical of their strikes for fighting and a lot of tattooed facial expressions for intimidation...The movie "Once were warriors" basically covers the mentality of Polynesian (Maori) families particularly the males and their dominance of women, and the females are portrayed as subservient in the household... Sincerely, Sonny --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 07:05:46 -0700 (PDT) From: jason couture To: Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] fighting knives? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Dear readers - My question is this: How do you think a jury is going to react to a blade designed for killing a man vs. a common task blade placed before them in your trial? Even if you feel you were justified to cut the dirt bag, a jury may feel that you were carrying a fighting blade with the hope to use it on someone someday. Let's face it, we do (as martial artists) do role playing in our mind as to: what if this? Or what if that? This is a healthy practice but, I can say from experience that the everyday joe doesn't think the same way we do and most likely it will be the everyday joe on the jury. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE fighting blades and the arts connected to them but, I don't want to go to prison for defending myself or my family! The larger the blade the more guilty we will look in court. What the blade was designed for will play a huge part also. YES DEFEND YOURSELF! Just be cautious how you do it. Am I wrong? ===== **JASON COUTURE** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 08:13:34 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Hammer and Carpenter Part 3 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > From: "Russell Blonski" > > I keep on seeing that picture of that guy's split knee-cap from your last > video series... wasn't that just rattan? Yup. Bob Steele responded to my reponse: "I don't know why I'm arguing Lynn Thompsons point of view, but here goes. His whole system is based on long range. He feels like he's gonna get hurt up close. Seems reasonable to me. Small knives are harder to use effectively at long range." Sounds like a reasonable thought if you can carry the big knife and choose the range. > Thompson doesn't like folders at all. I read an interview with Laci Szabo > at realfighting.com and he doesn't like folders either. So folders seem to be > out of favor with certain sectors of the knife fighting world. What are the reasons given? > I live in the free state of Arizona where it's legal for an honest citizen > to carry a concealed firearm. I carry one all the time. I'm speaking from > experience when I say you can conceal a fairly large knife as easily as > a handgun. I think I can conceal my knife as easily as my Asp baton. > You can find a way to carry a fairly large knife. And based on Thompsons > system it gives you and edge (no pun intended). Yes AND bullets have a way of going further or elsewhere than the intended target. In crowded areas (e.g. Los Angeles) this can present a moral problem. Concealability often has much to do with the weather and how much clothing one is wearing. > And I just gotta say, if your "girlfriend" dumps you because of a Vaquero, > then you need to work on your rap. Hey, I'm married to a girl with an NRA sticker in the window of her '55 Chevy! :-) Still, my point was not addressed to "girlfriend" but dates. I do maintain that a lot of potentially worthy women are going to be disconcerted by that Vaquero (understandably so here in Los Angeles!) -- not to mention associates in the workplace and ordinary citizens in general, or a LEO should he happen to find you with one-- very hard to explain ;-) If you can safely and consistently conceal a large fixed knife or a gun, its all to the good. There are times that doing so presents practical problems, legal problems and social problems. My ONLY point is that small ones can be used effectively in many self-defense situations. There may even be times when they present an advantage in discreteness of the draw, in close quarters, and in the case of guns, when there are innocent people behind the problem. Woof, Crafty Dog --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] fighting knives? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Dear readers - My question is this: How do you think a > jury is going to react to a blade designed for killing > a man vs. a common task blade placed before them in > your trial? Mas Ayoob has frequently made this point also. But I think it also has perhaps even more to do with the 'name' a blade has than the design. A typical jury probably won't know a tactical folder (e.g. Pat Crawford's version of the Kasper folder) from a Buck folder. But a knife with a name like Busse Combat Elite Killer, especially if it is engraved on the blade, will likely catch their attention. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:51:38 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Small Blades Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 10/11/03 9:02:24 AM, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > but with the proper > understanding and training a small knife (folder/kerambit/boot knife) > can make a huge difference in many self-defense scenarios.  JMHO. > Crafty Dog > I'd like to know Fred Perrin's opinion on this. Most of his blade styles are like "LaGriffe", and various scapels, no doubt due to laws in Paris, etc. This may be the wave of the future. I plan on incorporating kerambit and lagriffe work in my training. As far as carrying blades, I am a stage technician by profession. EVERY, AND I MEAN EVERYONE, carries a blade for work. It IS a blade culture. I carry one 100% of the time out of habit, and it might come in handy if a large dog attacked my small, rescued, mix-breed. I have already had to drop a dog or two with kicks. Tom Furman - www.physicalstrategies.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 16:10:35 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: federicomalibago@earthlink.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Knife or Stick Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings Im a complete noob here, but Ive been an avid follower of the list for a couple years now. Just felt like throwing my .02 cents into the conversation, feel free to ignore as they are the opinion of a complete noob, and also feel free to correct, since it is an opinion of a noobie who would loves to learn, especially if he is making life threatening mistakes. Ok, the thing that has been bothering me about the knife or stick scenario, is why are you taking your focus off of your attacker? He is most dangerous with a weapon, so why not pre-empt his acquisition of one, and attack him empty hand while he is still weaponless as well? For me, the scenario would seem to suggest you are much closer to him, than the weapon, so why not throw his timing off a bit, and then let the results decide what you dive for. Also, with all the discussion of the rights to self-defense, couldnt diving for a weapon, as a trained martial artist, be construed by an overlly liberal judge/jury, as an un-reasonable escalation of force. Eg. the killer, fearing your prowess as a trained martial artist, only dove for the weapon, in response to your threatening moves. Thereby flipping the situation of you being a victim, to the killer defending himself from the scary martial artist who suddenly armed himself. Allowing his actions to escalate the situation, would seem to me, more legally safe (of course legal safe and physical/practical safe can be too different things). I know the good ol saying, Id rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6, but in this situation, you are both un-armed and you are supposedly more trained, and until the day the public realises martial arts training doesnt make everyone a super ninja (my apologies to all those on the list who are super ninjas, being the first to dive for the weapon sounds like you are the one escalating the situation. Especially if you do kill the killer, what now becomes the difference between one killer and another killer. Then again, Im just a noob, so what do I know. Sincerely Federico Malibago --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "norm rayos" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 00:38:42 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] push daggers Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thanks for replying Nat, I was wondering what everyone else's thoughts were on push daggers as well. Do you guys feel that a push dagger is superior to a conventional knife or dagger or do you all think that a push dagger is too one sided to be used, in regards to individuals trained in FMA. _________________________________________________________________ Help protect your PC. Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Bob Steele" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Small Blades Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:14:48 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net You know another interesting thing about Fred Perrin? He wears arm and leg body armour under his clothes. He also carries a medical kit on his person. He fully expects to get cut. This seems to be a consistent view of close range small blade fighters. Bob Steele ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 12:51 PM Subject: [Eskrima] Small Blades > In a message dated 10/11/03 9:02:24 AM, > eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > > > > but with the proper > > understanding and training a small knife (folder/kerambit/boot knife) > > can make a huge difference in many self-defense scenarios. JMHO. > > Crafty Dog > > > I'd like to know Fred Perrin's opinion on this. Most of his blade styles are > like "LaGriffe", and various scapels, no doubt due to laws in Paris, etc. This > may be the wave of the future. I plan on incorporating kerambit and lagriffe > work in my training. As far as carrying blades, I am a stage technician by > profession. EVERY, AND I MEAN EVERYONE, carries a blade for work. It IS a > blade > culture. I carry one 100% of the time out of habit, and it might come in handy > if a large dog attacked my small, rescued, mix-breed. I have already had to > drop a dog or two with kicks. > > Tom Furman - www.physicalstrategies.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1700 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest