Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 03:04:07 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #364 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: knife dealers (Leo Daher) 2. Re: Sort of off topic... (Wesley Tasker) 3. Re: Historical manuals (gints@att.net) 4. Spanish fencing (Todd Ellner) 5. PD and other exotics (Kendal Coats) 6. Sword and Dagger (Stephen Lamade) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Leo Daher" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] knife dealers Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:09:06 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Two that I recommend without reservation, from personal experience: www.knifecenter.com www.newgraham.com Leo --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:02:10 -0400 From: Wesley Tasker To: digest reply Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Sort of off topic... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net If you are interested in Medieval European Sword arts, two books I've found useful are: "The Secret History of the Sword" by: J. Christopher Amberger ISBN: 1892515040 "The Martial Arts of Renaissance Europe" by: Sydney Anglo ISBN: 0300083521 I hope this helps. -wes tasker --__--__-- Message: 3 From: gints@att.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:04:34 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Historical manuals Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Michael, Have you checked out John Clement's web site? http://www.thearma.org/ I found his two books more readable than the manuals, although I like to collect these old works. The first book listed below includes descriptions and illustrations of the usage of shields of various sizes, including the buckler. "Medieval Swordsmanship: Illustrated Methods and Techniques" By John Clements (Paladin Press, ISBN # 1-58160-004-6, Nov ’98) "Renaissance Swordsmanship: The Illustrated Use of Rapiers and Cut and Thrust Swords" John Clements. Paladin Press 1997. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:40:28 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Todd Ellner" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Spanish fencing Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I've only been privileged to see a little Spanish fencing. Incredibly sophisticated, effective stuff. You'll notice that for all the disdain that Britons like Silver had for the Spanish style of sword work it survived and did well in fights and on the battlefield for hundreds of years. Here in the States we are fortunate to have a few excellent scholars and teachers of the system. One of the really good ones is Ramon Martinez (www martinez-destreza.com). His two videos on the subject are among the only dozen or so martial arts vids of ANY sort that are worth buying. Another excellent resource is The School of the Two Swords (www.alliancemartialarts.com) --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:06:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Kendal Coats To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] PD and other exotics Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net One of my teachers students make a series of dagers and knives with pepper spray in the handle. The push dager while fun has very few uses and does limit your options, though the addition of pepper spray makes it fun. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Stephen Lamade" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:41:47 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Sword and Dagger Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net There is a very good, very lengthy discussion of the "Influence of Rennaisance Swordsmanship on Filipino Martial Arts" (or something like that - its been over a year or so) in the archived public forum section of the Dogbrothers website. *** Andy wrote: "The other main difference was the footwork. Of course, they had long lunges (especially Cappa de Ferro), but they also had some crossed-legged footwork that to my mind didn't suit the triangular footwork of the FMAs well. Interestingly enough, that crossed legged footwork has places in Pekiti Tirsia, if memory serves in the second set of espada y daga attacks and in seguides II 11. The thrust, however, has been replaced with safer jab." Pekiti Tirsia does indeed include cross-stepping in the Espada y Daga curriculum (to which I have been only briefly introduced); the jab can also be converted to a corkscrew thrust. San Miguel Eskrima includes the cross-step in many of its methods. In the version that I learned, the cross-step is termed "San Miguel Stepping." It can suit triangular stepping if you undertand the options available by placing more or less weight on the rear foot. For example, with less weight on the rear foot, you can triangle step by stepping back forward with the right foot on the right side on the female triangle, or by stepping to the side on the horizontal bar of the "estrella" (the start of a long distance "side-step" to the right). If more weight is placed on the back foot, then the lead foot can retreat behind the rear foot in turn (stepping straight back on the vertical bar of the "estrella," or you can step to the left side of a female triangle), or you may simply "unwind" in place and end up with the left foot forward. In the version of San Miguel Eskrima that I learned, "Zig Zag Stepping" backwards includes a long San Miguel step that is angled back and behind the lead leg. One then steps out on either side of the female triangle, depending upon whether you are defending against the espada or daga, in a movement similar to a "take off" - but executed differently at longer range. I also have seen the stepping-back cross-step (San Miguel Stepping) in Lameco Eskrima (which, in this case, may have been influenced by similar stepping in Kalis Illustrisimo); no doubt other FMA's have similar stepping patterns. There is also a forward cross-step (wherein the rear foot steps forward, behind the lead foot) that I have seen in Pekiti Tirisa Arnis; this movement is also utilized with very good results in Estacada. Best, Steve Lamade _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy MSN 8 patented spam control and more with MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service. Try it FREE for one month! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest