Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 03:01:50 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #376 - 2 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Help: Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: Send Eskrima mailing list submissions to eskrima@martialartsresource.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net You can reach the person managing the list at eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Eskrima digest..." <<---- The Sudlud-Inayan Eskrima/Kali/Arnis/FMA mailing list ---->> Serving the Internet since June 1994. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 1700 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Cold baths, hot air? (Michael Koblic) 2. Re: Cold baths, hot air? (Steve Ames) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Michael Koblic" To: "Eskrima digest" Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:34:23 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Cold baths, hot air? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "When you get into an ice bath for five to 10 minutes, the icy cold water causes your blood vessels to tighten and drains the blood out of your legs. After 10 minutes your legs feel cold and numb. So when athlete gets out of the bath, the legs fill up with 'new' blood that invigorates his muscles with oxygen to help the cells function better. At the same time, the more blood coming into the legs will have to leave as well, draining away and at the same time taking with it the lactic acid that has built up from his match. With the Rugby World Cup, most of the players will be taking ice baths regularly after training sessions to help their muscles stay fresh and avoid injury." They may do that but I doubt that it is for the reasons stated. Firstly, blood does not just sit in the legs, it circulates. If it did not you would be dead. The whole point of the circulation is the bring nutrients and oxygen to the cells and take the waste products away. If anything, hypothermia is likely to slow this process down. Thus emptying and refilling your legs with blood does not make sense. Secondly, lactic acid is produced in the muscle cells, not in the blood, so if you dump all the blood from your legs and fill them with a fresh pint or three, the lactic acid will just leach into it again. I wonder what the real reason is why the ice baths are supposed to work. Or is it just another example of "if it hurts it must be good for me" phenomenon? Mike Koblic, Campbell River, BC --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:03:31 -0500 From: Steve Ames To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Cold baths, hot air? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 05:34:23PM -0700, Michael Koblic wrote: > I wonder what the real reason is why the ice baths are supposed to work. Or > is it just another example of "if it hurts it must be good for me" > phenomenon? Cold causes muscles to all contract which causes buildup to be squeezed out? :) -Steve --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest