Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:41:02 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #377 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. synthetic sticks (gordon walker) 2. Hot and cold (Rms1754@aol.com) 3. Re: Kalis Ilustrisimo Training in Los Angeles (QublwPrime@aol.com) 4. Re: England's Tony Martin case (QublwPrime@aol.com) 5. Re: Burglar / Tony Martin case (QublwPrime@aol.com) 6. Re: Tony Martin (QublwPrime@aol.com) 7. Post-Exertion Muscle Soreness (Khalkee@netscape.net) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 02:11:01 -0400 (EDT) From: gordon walker To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] synthetic sticks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Frank, Gordo says ouch. Expletives deleted. Gord --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Rms1754@aol.com Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:19:37 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Hot and cold Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 10/25/2003 5:58:39 AM Central Daylight Time, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > They may do that but I doubt that it is for the reasons stated. Firstly, > blood does not just sit in the legs, it circulates. If it did not you would > be dead. The whole point of the circulation is the bring nutrients and > oxygen to the cells and take the waste products away. ------------------------------------- Hi Mike, This is true, but it's also an ideal. It seems that the level of circulation can vary a bit from place to place in the body. Some areas can be more sluggish than others because there is not as much collateral flow there, for instance. Veins in the legs after surgery are another area where flow is sluggish because slow flow here permits activated clotting factors to accumulate instead of being washed away. The flow of other fluids, such as lymph and cerebrospinal fluid, can also influence the general circulation. ---------------------------------------------- If anything, > > hypothermia is likely to slow this process down. ---------------------------------------------------- It's actually the alternation between cold and warmth that is important here. If there were no muscles present, cold would generally slow things, but it also forces muscles to contract. Once the muscle is warmed, vessels will dilate, which causes a pumping action. It's the pumping action that facilitates increased flow - this is my understanding. ---------------------------------------------------- Thus emptying and refilling > > your legs with blood does not make sense. Secondly, lactic acid is produced > in the muscle cells, not in the blood, so if you dump all the blood from > your legs and fill them with a fresh pint or three, the lactic acid will > just leach into it again. > ----------------------------------------------------- The lactic acid does not stay in the muscles and it has to be transported away by the blood. Pumping blood in and out would help this in general by flushing lactate away. Once exercise is stopped, lactate levels drop off and you no longer have an excess that needs transport out. -------------------------------------------------- > I wonder what the real reason is why the ice baths are supposed to work. Or > is it just another example of "if it hurts it must be good for me" > phenomenon? > > Mike Koblic, > Campbell River, BC -------------------------------------------------- This is a good question. I did an Entrez-PubMed search and turned up precious little going back to 1963. Hydrotherapy is as old as the human race, so the relevant literature may have already been published much earlier. Does anyone else know of any good studies showing effects on exercise recovery from alternating ice and heat baths? Unfortunately, most of what I have heard has been anecdotal. It's interesting to note that ice is one of only a few ways to disperse trigger points, which are node-like areas of altered muscle metabolism that can create a host of myofascial pain syndromes. Check out Claire Davies "The Trigger Point Therapy Workbook" for some great, eye-opening info. Yours in training, Rene' Salazar --__--__-- Message: 3 From: QublwPrime@aol.com Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:16:21 EDT Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Kalis Ilustrisimo Training in Los Angeles To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Dear Sifu Scott, Good day sir. My name is A. Qublw Splivid. I have been a practioner of Matsubayashi-Ryu Shorin-Ryu since 1973, and of Kali since 1982. I started with MBR at the FAMU Shorin Ryu Karate Club at Florida A& M University under the guidance of Sensei John Watson, a branch club of Eddie Ramos' North Miami Taiseikan Dojo. I initially studied Arnis (Modern Arnis) at the Progress Taekwondo Academy in Cleveland Ohio. I live in Baltimore, Maryland. Do you have a type of correspondence course? A have been reading a lot about the merits of your system. I think Kalis Illustrisimo is excellent. I would like to learn it under an instructor, even if by mail. Sincerely, A.Qublw Splivid, CMR School --__--__-- Message: 4 From: QublwPrime@aol.com Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:39:10 EDT Subject: Re: [Eskrima] England's Tony Martin case To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Guro Crafty Dog, Grrrrrrr! Such actions by legitimate authority brings out the dog in me. First let me ask if you have a chapter of the Dog Brothers in Baltimore, Maryland. If not how do I start one? Now about our friends in merry-ole-England. I think some of their judges are drinking to much beer or somethin' (It could very well be - not enough). This sad situation brings to mind four possible solutions: 1- Petition the Queen, Amnesty International or the UN for Mr. Martin's release. 2- Send these Judges to Texas or somewhere for continuing education. 3- Send everyone convicted or suspected of burglary in America to England so everyone will be happy ! 4- As bad as the legal system is in Maryland and the rest of the country, thank God that we booted these guys out 230 years ago! A. Q. Splivid, aka Q-Wolf CMR School, Baltimore, Maryland --__--__-- Message: 5 From: QublwPrime@aol.com Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:12:52 EDT Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Burglar / Tony Martin case To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Dear Mr. Mitakuye Oyasin, I agree with your sentiments about the tragic Tony Martin Case in England, but let's be careful about throwing around predisposed and prejudiced labels. I am an african-american who is aware of the socio-economic history of the United States of America and of many modern world cultures. I can not group all liberalism as bad. If that were true, there would not have been any abolitionists, civil rights activist and fighters, nor "government imposed" tokens nor "social firsts" in the military, business and industry to disprove the sociopathic lies and inequities which has plagued this country. My family has been here for centuries, I am a member of the African american community, I also have American-Indian in my blood and that goes way back. That is to say, that I guess you could say that I am a liberal. I have promoted the positive aspects of the Black-community and served my country in the military also - so with this and other stupid things our good-old liberal leaders tend to do , like the yin-yang, my conservatism also runs deep. What you might want to focus on are the idiots, selfish and stupid people who are in positions of power in places like the courts. Not so much "Liberalism". We need to focus more on trying to get passed laws like the "The Citizen's Right to Self Defense Act'", and in today's legal and social climate that is a very liberal statement in itself! Q-wolf Baltimore, Maryland --__--__-- Message: 6 From: QublwPrime@aol.com Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:27:51 EDT Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Tony Martin To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net so ??????, then refuse his parole for possession of an illegal weapon, not because the man is "a danger to burglars". You're from England aren't you? Are you a judge by any chance? Grrrrrrr. Q-Wolf. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:42:18 -0400 From: Khalkee@netscape.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Post-Exertion Muscle Soreness Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Cold causes muscles to all contract > which causes buildup to be squeezed > out? :) I wasn't going to comment on this one since people like to believe whatever they like to believe :-) but the idea of "squeezing out" may be right on the money, but doesn't require anything as dramatic as cold baths, etc. All that is required to flush muscle tissue of residual metabolic wastes after heavy exertion is slow, smooth motions. These motions should at first be the same as or very similar to those which were involved during exertion. This helps the body to shift from activity to rest without a dramatic shift (which is dangerous vis-a-vis cardiovascular "events") while simultaneously enlisting the natural dynamics of compression on muscles and veins. The issue is getting the athlete to follow thru with this after every work session. Lifestyle makes a difference too, but I ain't givin' all my "secrets" away fer free outcheer ;-) OTOH, I promise you that if your diet and lifestyle are "clean", you supply yourself with ample vit/min before and after exertion, and you implement a 15-20 minute cool-down period characterized by slow-to-moderately paced movements as suggested ... post-exertion soreness -may- become a thing of the past. I train for a minimum of non-stop 3 hours a go wearing weights on torso, arms and legs dispersed to add 25 pounds, mixing heavy bag work (varying length/weight sticks and empty hand), plyometrics, and resistance work. I NEVER experience the soreness that plagues some of us. Hydration also makes a differrence. When I began my training over 30 years ago (Kung Fu) we were not allowed to drink until after class. Not a VGI (very god idea). as we lose water, muscular efficiency and cardiovascular function deteriorate, increasing the likelihood of muscular exhaustion/failure, arrhythmias. It is best to sip water or athletics drinks before, during, and after the workout period to maintain blood volume and to maintain the normal physiology of metabolite removal. Do these things and as I've suggested, post-exertion soreness may become a thing of the past for good. No interventions necessary. Another cue: Do whatever you can to enhance circulation. Note: slow movement without turbulent blood flow enhances circulation (e.g., as in moderately-paced performance of kung fu/tai chi drills). there are also dietary practices, herbals, which enhance circulation. What I've suggested may not sound very impressive, but they are with the "natural order of things" and they work. Don't believe it. Try it!!! I've purposely omitted the names of suitable herbs, etc. Search them out and convince yourself ... Mitakuye Oyasin. Be well, mik __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest