Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 08:47:03 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #387 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. How Effective FMA? (GatPuno@aol.com) 2. Yo, Rocky-yes, it's me (jeff wroten) 3. Bullwhips (Anthony) 4. Does FMA work (Phil Hurcum) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 13:13:37 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] How Effective FMA? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Gaby, I personally not care this question, but I was cough by your honest question in regards of the FMA do well in the street confrontation. I would love to share this answer to you and other "novice" in FMA. I would not used anyone on my examples on how FMA is effective Martial Arts for Street first before competition. We are taught in different mental readiness in combat, how basic might be the techniques that being taught, all of this techniques is taught and explained used in Street combat proven effective. We are trained in variety of weapons (no-limit) from the smallest (short) to the largest (Longest), to softies to the hardess weapon, and variety of flexible weapons to gun defense, from punching, kicking, standing locks and groudfighting strategies. We are trained to used whatever weapon available in combat with or without weapon. Not to mentioned, I survive for 23 years in the street of Manila Philippines, being holdup, with knife gun points, multiple attacker, with weapon and un-armed aggressor because of my FMA training I am now sharing this experience around the worlds. I also become the un-defeated un-padded stickfighting tournament in Laguna provinces from 1978-1985. I fought for seven consecutive weeks of Boxing in Cozumel Mexico during my time working in Carnival Cruise Lines, and every single fight I came out the winner. I think this is enough evidence that the FMA is its does well in Street and competition. Remember Filipino Combat arts is for Blade Application first before the stick, we have a lot of misconception nowadays that stick first before blades. Sticks is used only for training purposes before until they realized that the stick can stands alone to any weapon on the streets. All of the movements of the weapon is can translated to empty hand techniques. Mentally FMA is ready to face a weapon wielding assailant, there's nothing new in our training, if its happen that opponents has no weapon assailant, is treated the same as he has weapon, Filipino Martial Arts always play on the safe side, Do you believed in 99% safe than 50/50%. Answer to all of your question, Yes and yes, FMA is a complete arts for Street with weapon or without weapon. > > Hi everyone, > > I began to hear about FMA 2years ago, but I didn't care about it because > > I didn't know exactly what this art is talking about. But I began to see > > that this art is evoluating every year and like bjj martial artist are > > directed toward this art, why? > > I would like to know from you how much this art is effective in the > > street, in hand to hand? > > and about weapon do you think there is other styles which are better in > > weapon (stick and knife) than FMA. > > last question, do you think if someone study FMA alone he will be a > > complete streetfighter or he should study style like hapkido, > > kenpo,taekwondo,...plus FMA to be a complete streetfighter? > > thanks in advance > > gaby > > > > - In regards of the answer of Joacquin Torres, you need to gained more confident to your FMA training, and learn the possibility that you can be a total complete Street Fighter. All FMA is teaching Stick, Blades, knifes, hand to hand, and various locks, disarmed and so on. I also believed all FMA is teaching a street scenario, for Self defense, I guess I would suggest to Gaby not to learn from you caused your not sure if your art will do best on the street. You need to be a positive element of if you are teaching, making every single question turn into positive answer, I am sorry you are not sure. to your materials. You need to seek more knowledge instead of giving opinion disgrading the FMA in general. That my opinion of you. But hey I respect your opinion, I wish you luck. > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:10:12 -0500 > From: Joaquin Torres > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Is FMA effective > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Hi Gaby, > > Personally, I don't feel there is any one system that will make anyone a > 'complete' streetfighter, so I'll leave that question alone. > > I've known a few people who have successfully used FMA in self defense > situations. As to whether or not it would be effective hand-to-hand, > that would depend on the individual artist and his/her instructor. In > general, all FMA have the /potential/ of being effective empty hand > arts, but it will depend on that aspect being covered in training and > how well an FMA practitioner can use that knowledge. > > The majority of the weapons work trained in the FMA are very effective > in my opinion, and the general weapon training is valid in modern times > (i.e., no katana, nunchaku, sai, spears, and other weaponry not likely > found on people walking the street). Granted, many FMA systems train > sword techniques, but these are easily transferred to the stick, and are > in fact often trained with sticks rather than swords. For bladed > weapons, particularly knives, I feel there are extremely few systems > better. However, all of these are personal opinions. > > As with ANY martial art, effectiveness ultimately depends on the > individual employing that system. Basically, can YOU make it > effective. For example, at my level of training, I doubt I could make a > Korean system effective on the street, but I know of people who can. I > think the best answer I can give you is to find an FMA club in your area > and give it a shot. > > Joaquin Torres > > In final, Gaby, seek any Filipino Masters that can lead you to the light and right direction for Filipino Combat Arts, there is Pikita Tirsia, Inayan Eskrima, Cabales Serrada, Modern Arnis, Inosanto Kali Blend, Sayoc Kali, Defensor Method, etc. all of this arts and system offer the reality of the combat, as for Joacquin, I suggest the same to you my friends, Be well, and good luck to your endeavor, Gumagalang/with respect, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA E-mail: gatpuno@aol.com Website: garimot.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "jeff wroten" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 19:53:38 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Yo, Rocky-yes, it's me Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Yes,it's me. I am flattered that you remember me from so long ago (did I say that? Wasn't it just last year....) I have returned to my home state of West Virginia, by way of a stay in Florida as a correctional offficer and Law Enforcement/Corrections Academy Instructor.Lots of opportunities to teach AND USE Modern Arnis. I'm looking foreward to more correspondance and eventually some training opportunities with you (as marriage and five children will allow, lol!) BTW- a few years back I got hold of a video tape of a seminar you did in a school in Michigan. Afterward, you were doing some one-on-one with a couple of JKD guys when you related the story of Remy nearly crushing my forearm with his grip strength. Talk about reliving a humbling experiance. !!! My students at that time thought I was joking-your story validated a lot for them. Take Care....Jeff "Da Bear" Wroten _________________________________________________________________ See when your friends are online with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 21:50:49 -0800 (PST) From: Anthony To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Bullwhips Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Everyone, I was reading an article by James Keating (entitled "The Martial Whip") sometime back concerning the use of short and long bullwhips in conjunction with a medium sized knife for fighting using the Filipino styles. It is an intriguing substitute for the stick in many ways. Particularly using what Keating terms a short whip from 6 to 8 feet in length. Very interesting article! Here is a link to it... http://www.sonic.net/~quine/shortwhip.1.html Does anyone on the board train with a short or long bullwhip as part of your FMA training? If yes, what type of whip and do you feel it is an effective weapon against a human threat? Due to the laws where I live keeping a bullwhip and a medium sized knife handy would be much easier than many of the other weapons used in FMA. Also, I appreciate the potential for the bullwhip's distance advantage. It seems to be a weapon that would require a great deal of skill with excellent foot work and a good judgement of distances. Yet, with those things accomplished it would seem to be a valuable tool for an FMA practicioner to have in his bag of tricks. Thoughts? - Anthony __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 21:59:50 -0800 (PST) From: Phil Hurcum To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Does FMA work Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Does FMA work is not a question that really gets a clear answer. Does Karate work? Or TKD? Or BJJ? Does anything work. Does a small man with 10 years of martial arts experience have a chance of beating a really large man with the same experience and twice the strength? Do drunks who pick fights with conditioned athletes or construction workers ever win? Dont' fight a ditch digger unless you really mean it. I live in an area with probably the highest concentration of inmates in Western Canada, maybe all of Canada. Within 1 driving hour, this rural area has 3 drug and alcohol penal centers. A maximum security prison, a minimum security prison with a *&!!@# golf course, bungalow style housing and areally sweet gym. In addition to these there are 2 facilities for Sexual Offenders, sorry 3. The highest concentration of single mothers on the dole in Canada are in this town. They follow their men here from all over the coutry and then in alot of cases settle after the boys get out of jail. The last statistic on this town, Mission B.C., guestimated that one in three houses was a grow op. Despite all this most of the violent crime happens across the Fraser River in the next town. Abbotsford. Abbotsford is world renowned for the most churches per sq. mile in the world. Maybe just N.America but still. My point is that appearances are all pretty much a matter of perception and it's partner, often overlooked and forgotten, PRESENTATION. Who is your teacher? Does he/she have a clue what it is he/she is presenting? Did his certifications come from a seminar. Is he/she honest about this. Are you asked to sign a 700$ to your black belt contract? Is it good business sense to have you fail a module? The mechanics behind the instructor/ valid knowledge/ streetfighting effectiveness/ business legal model, are often convuloooooted and mostly unpleasant. Some people do martial arts instead of bowling and with as much feeling. No offence to the bowlers on the list, but hey Thursday night is open and I am not sitting around alone. Some people have a seniority mentality where they put there time in, they have a paper from 10 years ago and there is no more growth. No more exploration. But they still teach. Watch the kickboxing, with the exception of the Thai fighters, can you tell the difference between the Karate or TKD guy. Does it matter? Survival is the prize, real or simulated. Lines blur with motion, speed can erase nuance and emphasis, REAL Combat changes your perception of reality. The less experienced has his/her perceptions more greatly altered. Or not. Everything is a toss up when full bore fear, adrenaline and total resistance come into play. There is only one place to get combat experience and you pay for it in a different currency. To go farther in this is a world a lot of people never see. Whatever martial art you do look at it. Look at yourself first. Define what it means to be a "complete fighter" to you. Fill in the spaces with research and study. Do a martial art, live a combat science. If you are afraid, face it with honesty and apply yourself. If necessary repeat the apply yourself. Redefine when required. Apply again. Measure success against something real, find a mentor from another discipline and start whole process again. Constantly. Sorry for the huge letter, but i got it to say Phil --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest