Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 20:17:03 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #388 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Is FMA effective? (Bobster) 2. Re: Eric Remmen/Spyderco (Kel620@aol.com) 3. Re: Spyderco Knife dude (Dave Huang) 4. Jeff good to here!! (rocky pasiwk) 5. Re: Bullwhips (Nat Nickele) 6. Re: Bullwhips (Joaquin Torres) 7. re:gaby fma effectiveness (gordon walker) 8. Re: Re: Bullwhips (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Bobster" To: Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 02:24:02 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Is FMA effective? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Gaby. >"But I began to see that this art is evoluating every year and like bjj martial artist are directed toward this art, why?"< Well, most other martial arts are based around empty handed combat, with weaponry thrown in as a sort of side-dish. You hear it time and again: "No one would really use a Sai/Bo/Katana/Nunchakun on the street, but we can use it to enhance our empty hand technique". Most FMA are based around the use & defense against weapons, particularly the stick & knife. Very few arts really offer realistic defenses against these weapons. Also, FMA strives toward a flow-based environment (I can't explain this term in a few simple paragraphs, but if you find a FMA teacher, he will know what I am referring to here!), with an emphasis on dynamic footwork & body english, as opposed to the stances & static forms of other "traditional" styles. >"I would like to know from you how much this art is effective in the street, in hand to hand?"< Very, but don't take my word for it. Walk down an ordinary street in your neighborhood, & imagine yourself in a violent situation. Look around you: How many objects & environmental appendages can you convert immediately to your defense? Does anything look like a Sai to you? However, a stick, a rock, a car antennae, shoelaces, the metal flag from a mailbox, these are all adaptable to FMA. Also, in the event you can't get to a weapon, the empty hand motion is complimentary to the weapon motion, the only things that change are the range, body english & footwork. In other words, you will usually change very little in your approach when you are fighting empty handed. >"about weapon do you think there is other styles which are better in weapon (stick and knife) than FMA."< I wouldn't say that FMA is the-all, end-all of weapon combat, but you would be hard-pressed to find an art that encompasses so broad a spectrum. Also, the approach to empty handed defense against weapons is radically different and much more effective than anything else I've seen. If you get the chance, train in Pentjak Silat as well. The two styles go hand-in-hand, and seem to be made for each other. The style of flow in both arts promotes fluidity & economy of motion. >"do you think if someone study FMA alone he will be a complete streetfighter or he should study style like hapkido, kenpo,taekwondo,...plus FMA to be a complete streetfighter?"< You don't need to study ANYTHING to be a streetfighter...Just go fight! Assuming you don't get killed or smeared beyond recognition, you will eventually learn all you need to from simply fighting. It's always smart to study a variety of styles, to give yourself a broader range of experience and to gain many different points of view. However, if you are looking to just become a streetfighter, my best suggestion is to find a boxing gym. It works as well as anything. Joaquin Torres brings up an interesting point about making the art WORK for you. (His entire post was excellent...Looks like I've paraphrased alot of it!). This is the best advice anyone can give you in your search: How much of your time and effort are you willing to put into your training? 25%? 50%? 100%? ANYTHING could be deadly, depending on how much training the practitioner devotes to it. There is no "Ultimate Art". Bobbe Edmonds Edmonds Martial Arts Academy "The biggest sword, and the toughest armor do NOT insure victory. The hawk is safer than the turtle." -Dune --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Kel620@aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 11:29:55 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Eric Remmen/Spyderco Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 11/2/2003 6:58:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: Quite a few years ago my wife and I had a table at the Oregon Knife Collectors' show. A burly, bearded Hwa Rang Do player named Eric was doing a folding knife demo. Could they have been the same person? His stuff looked like solid basics, but nothing special. Tiel tried to call him out when he said that all Guru Inosanto had was "a few flashy stick moves". He declined the invitation. Same guy. Eric Remmen. He also had a nice mail order(catalog) knife company...I can't remember the name of it though. I got my first ASP from his company. K. Williams --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Dave Huang" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 18:10:39 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Spyderco Knife dude Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Eric Remmen? _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your current Internet access and enjoy patented spam control and more. Get two months FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "rocky pasiwk" To: Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 14:24:33 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Jeff good to here!! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey Jeff its great to here from you, Glad things are going good, I got 2 kids myself and 1 due any minute now. Glad you finally got into the law enforcement stuff they can use a guy like you. You probablly heard Remy was quite upset with me shortly after 1984 cause I went and did some private security stuff Over Seas and down a bit South of the boarder it was kind of the begining of an up and down next 15 years with Remy, I guess thats life. Any ways here is my e-mail rockypasiwk@ameritech.net Talk to you soon! If you been out of Modern Arnis for a while, its a whole new ball game, and it aint pretty! Rocky Web Page rockypasiwk.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 16:16:05 -0800 (PST) From: Nat Nickele To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Bullwhips Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings, In regards to bullwhips... If you are hellbent on learning to use whips, MAKE SURE TO WEAR PROPER EYE PROTECTION!!! Literally every person I have met who has studied with a whip has some sort of facial scar. If you see pictures or movie footage of whip experts, they often have one eye (Indiana Jones was the lucky exception; just a chin scar. lol). Just my 2 cents. -Nat __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 21:44:15 -0500 From: Joaquin Torres To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Bullwhips Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I think some of the Sayoc Kali people train the whip. Joaquin Torres Anthony wrote: >Hello Everyone, > >I was reading an article by James Keating (entitled >"The Martial Whip") sometime back concerning the use >of short and long bullwhips in conjunction with a >medium sized knife for fighting using the Filipino >styles. It is an intriguing substitute for the stick >in many ways. Particularly using what Keating terms a >short whip from 6 to 8 feet in length. > >Very interesting article! > >Here is a link to it... > >http://www.sonic.net/~quine/shortwhip.1.html > >Does anyone on the board train with a short or long >bullwhip as part of your FMA training? > >If yes, what type of whip and do you feel it is an >effective weapon against a human threat? > >Due to the laws where I live keeping a bullwhip and a >medium sized knife handy would be much easier than >many of the other weapons used in FMA. Also, I >appreciate the potential for the bullwhip's distance >advantage. > >It seems to be a weapon that would require a great >deal of skill with excellent foot work and a good >judgement of distances. Yet, with those things >accomplished it would seem to be a valuable tool for >an FMA practicioner to have in his bag of tricks. > >Thoughts? > >- Anthony > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears >http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 1700 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 23:41:49 -0500 (EST) From: gordon walker To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] re:gaby fma effectiveness Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, I wholeheartedly agree with the reply stating that you must go and "do" fma for yourself. That would be the only way to get an answer that would stick. (pun intended.) Gord --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Bullwhips To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 21:06:20 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net If Master Tom Meadows has come out of retirement, he is your best bet on whip info. He is perhaps the single best whip stylist in the FMAs. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest