Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 18:27:03 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #389 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Sayoc Whip (Steven Lefebvre) 2. Whips (Khalkee@netscape.net) 3. Bullwhips (Ron Balicki) 4. Re: Is FMA effective? (Marc Macyoung) 5. Effectiveness of FMA (NAVARRO FULBERT) 6. Re: Effectiveness of FMA (Cogie Gutierrez) 7. Re: Michael Janich & Eric Remmen & Spyderco (Arnisman@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Steven Lefebvre" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:02:04 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Sayoc Whip Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Everyone, I have been practicing whip work since the mid 1980's.( I have used buggy whips, riding crops, leather bullwhips in Texas, sjambok etc.) When I started training in Sayoc Kali, I was amazed at the level of whip tactics that it possesed. I have not seen any other whip material that comes close. Here is a link to an article on Sayoc whip: http://sayoc.com/articles/sayocwhip.php , ask any Sayoc Kali Whip guro to crack a "star" , to get an idea of what I mean. Gumagalang Guro Steve L. _________________________________________________________________ Want to check if your PC is virus-infected? Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:25:48 -0500 From: Khalkee@netscape.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Whips Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I understand that the 6 foot whip can be brought back to target faster than whips of longer length. Does anyone have first-hand experience using the whip in fighting? Any comments on using/learning the 6 foot whip for real fighting? Initially, I plan to use two 6 foot whips in my "recovery" routine after training. Would like to move on to train use of one for "applications". Mitakuye oyasin. Be well, mik __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Ron Balicki" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 17:56:21 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Bullwhips Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I have two videos by Anthony DeLongis that I sell through my company PoinntMan Productions. Anthony is amazing with the Whip. Most of the whip work you see in Movies and TV was either preformed by Anthony or taught by Anthony. Thanks Ron Balicki _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your current Internet access and enjoy patented spam control and more. Get two months FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Marc Macyoung" To: Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 12:03:40 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Is FMA effective? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >From Marc MacYoung > >"do you think if someone study FMA alone he will be a complete > streetfighter or he should study style like hapkido, kenpo,taekwondo,...plus > FMA to be a complete streetfighter?"< Let me see if I understand this question...are you asking if the FMA will teach you to be a murderous, sneaky, backstabbing thug who will hit you from behind more often than from the front? If that is your question then the answer is no. Because that is what a "streetfighter" is. If he isn't a total criminal, then he definately exists in a shady border of that lifestyle, where a lot of his behavior is if, not illegal, at least criminally stupid. And I can tell you from personal experience the rules of engagement are a little different there. Survival on the streets comes from not hitting the guy where he is strong, but where he is weak. Get in a jam with a guy who is too strong to take head on? You say "it's cool" and back away, then you ambush him coming out of the door with a tire iron, car jack or two by four.(two of which I have been attacked by, the third happened to a friend of mine). Most of the life of a so-called "streetfighter" is spent looking over your shoulder in paranoia over someone seeking payback over the terrible things you have done and that have created revenge seekers. I have been attacked with knives five times (I don't count the times someone stood there and waved them around, I mean the guy was trying to play show and tell with my internal organs) all of them were surprise ambushes. In only one instance was I able to get my own blade out. In another instance I had a long range weapon in my hand that I dropped because the guy was too close. I didn't have a chance to use anything other than the most fundamental aspects of my training. Having said this, I will also say that it was my training that saved me. But it was not the complicated drills or technques that I had so dillegently practiced to impress the chicks and myself with all that I knew. It was the fundamentals. It was those underlying principles that I had picked up and refined through FMA training: footwork, movement, zoning etc. Did I do them perfectly? No. But I did those core elements well enough to avoid the blades/clubs/etc coming at me and function effectively enough to survive. FMA will not teach you how to be a streetfighter, because a streetfighter is a cunning, sociopathic animal that plays by no rules other than "win by any means immediately avialible." But they will help ingrain important concepts that might just help you survive against one long enough to extract yourself from a situation.But, here is a warning: If you don't focus on ingraining those things through your drills and practice, they won't be there when the fecal matter hits the oscilating blades Der Animal peeking out from his cave --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:54:13 -0800 (PST) From: NAVARRO FULBERT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Effectiveness of FMA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings! I just wanna add a comment, there is no such thing as an ultimate martial art. All martial arts are effective, it only depends upon the person who is practicing it to stress out its effectiveness. But if you really wanna test the effectiveness of your art, try thinking again and ask yourself, "Is this the essence of martial arts? To hurt others or defend myself and others?" If you go out to a depressed area(squatter's area, pier area, ETC) where crime rates are relatively high just to try out your newly learned fancy moves, that is not martial art...That is SUICIDE. Try doing that here in Cebu and many, I say again, many Cebuanos here would buy your challenge (some even had a deathwish actually) and you will fine yourself in a F*ckin situation where all you could say is "F*ck!". You'll even probably end up in the morgue if not with the man you fought, YOU alone will end up in the morgue. But I advise you not to try that. Navarro, Fulbert A. ===== N.F.A 1140461-7 GEN.RED __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Cogie Gutierrez" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 18:25:18 -0800 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Effectiveness of FMA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I have to agree with Navarro, just study what fits you. Studying an art, understanding it, practicing it everyday like an everyday routine (i.e. brushing your teeth) would make it handy in defending yourself in situations. You may study a deadly art, but it would lose its effectivity if you don't practice it everyday. Don't believe anything that says this m.a. is the most invincible art. The guy becomes invincible because he lives with it like it is a part of his body. Telling everyone they have the Highest Rank in a FMA school doesn't work on the streets, it only invites trouble on your school. Actually, what matters most is your physical condition, either face the thugs or be fit to hit one then ran away from them. You can't be an action hero in real life, even if you are armed. On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 13:54:13 -0800 (PST), "NAVARRO FULBERT" said: > Greetings! > > I just wanna add a comment, there is no such > thing as an ultimate martial art. All martial arts are > effective, it only depends upon the person who is > practicing it to stress out its effectiveness. But if > you really wanna test the effectiveness of your art, > try thinking again and ask yourself, "Is this the > essence of martial arts? To hurt others or defend > myself and others?" If you go out to a depressed > area(squatter's area, pier area, ETC) where crime > rates are relatively high just to try out your newly > learned fancy moves, that is not martial art...That is > SUICIDE. Try doing that here in Cebu and many, I say > again, many Cebuanos here would buy your challenge > (some even had a deathwish actually) and you will fine > yourself in a F*ckin situation where all you could say > is "F*ck!". You'll even probably end up in the morgue > if not with the man you fought, YOU alone will end up > in the morgue. But I advise you not to try that. > > Navarro, Fulbert A. > > ===== > N.F.A > 1140461-7 GEN.RED > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears > http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1700 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Consolidate POP email and Hotmail in one place --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Arnisman@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:10:44 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Michael Janich & Eric Remmen & Spyderco Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ray: Mike Janich is very talented in many fields. And it's not a "Spyderco " thing. Mike's fame and noteriety are not based on "Spyderco". Eric Remmen was not sponsored nor approved by Spyderco. Eric used rebuilt Spyderco knives : A manager @ Spyderco let delicas that had the plastic clip broken off and returned to spyderco for replacement, be ground down and had a metal v clip put on..and then fronted to Eric do his self defense class. He in no way represented Spyderco. He was a Pacific NW Hwarangdo instructor...along with his wife they did "Clip It "courses featuring the Spyderco knives he had obtained. Spyderco had no direct involvement in self defense till I started (with their approval and endorsement) the MBC Program: knives and training directed to LAw Enforcement, Military and Martial artists . I am the Director of Spyderco's MBC program. I have the MBC-Gunting as my own and Mike Janich has the MBC program which includes the curriculum he teaches for the program. Mike Janich is offically the MBC Martial Blade Craft Chief Instructor for Spyderco. He teaches FMA based knife work @ the Spyderco Headquaters and @ seminars. His FMA is actually Serrada based. On top of that unlike Eric..Mike is a tactical knife designer and renowned author on knife usage...having designed the MOD Tempest, the Mike Snody made RONIN, and the upcoming Spyderco MBC tactical folder, the Yojimbo...all three knives based on FMA usage. Mike has a real past of US Military, DOD and Pentagon work.. and actively teaches knife usage. He is very talented with a Balisong and understands the multi faceted aspects of edged tool usage. Mike is the author of several knife instructional tapes ( as well as blowguns. firearms etc), books and many articles on knife usage Mike is respected by most on the knife circuit: Worden, Keating, Tarani, Hock, et al...as an excellent knife instructor. You might want to check him out since he is Serrada based, giving good credibility to the oft said statement that Serrada was a knife oriented art... you can check out a current interview with Mike @ the Martialist http://www.themartialist.com/1003/mikejanich.htm be safe Bram Mr. Janich, a consummate master of both armed and unarmed self-defense, is > considered to be the foremost authority on the deployment and use of a > folding knife in real-world situations." > > *sigh* I have no opinion either way of Mr. Janich's skills, but Lordy, I'm > tired of such claims. Agreed. It may be a Spyderco thing. I think Janich is the newest teacher "approved" by them. A few years back it was a HwaRang Do (Hapkido) guy, Eric someone. From what I understand from those that saw both instructors, Eric did a better job. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com >> --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest