Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:33:03 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #391 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. I need sticks! (Alvis W. Solis) 2. Rueda (Frank Burczynski) 3. Whips (Steven Lefebvre) 4. Re: Whips (Ray Terry) 5. Other Side of town (Phil Hurcum) 6. Day of Play Postponement (Mr Elrik Jundis) 7. Re: Whips (Ryan Meyering) 8. Taser (gints@att.net) 9. Whip Fighting/Ryan Meyering (steve kohn) 10. Re: Taser (Steve Ames) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Alvis W. Solis" To: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 00:27:25 -0600 Organization: Solis Martial Arts Academy Subject: [Eskrima] I need sticks! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello all! Well, it looks like my FMA class is picking up and I am in need of sticks. Does anyone sell any sticks that don't fray within two weeks of doing siniwali drills? I would like to buy in bulk, size of at least 31" 1" . Thanks! Back to lurking..... Alvis Hound Dog www.solismartialarts.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 08:56:25 +0100 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: jkdberlin@t-online.de (Frank Burczynski) Subject: [Eskrima] Rueda Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Digest Has anyone of this list ever heard of a fighting system named Rueda (Estilong Paikot) passed on by "Ka Doming" Pangilinan of Central Luzon (Tarlac) to Maestro Francisco Angeles." and can tell me something about it? Frank Burczynski J.A.B. JKD Akademie Berlin + IMAG e.V. http://www.jkdberlin.de "Harder - Faster - More Intention" http://de.groups.yahoo.com/group/JKDGermany/ Die deutsche JKD-Mailing Liste http://www.kampfkunst-board.info Das deutsche Kampfkunstboard -- Ausgehende E-Mail ist virenfrei. _berpr_ft durch AVG Antivirensystem (http://www.grisoft.com/de). Version: 7.0.197 / Virendatenbank: 260.2.8 - Ausgabedatum: 03.11.2003 --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Steven Lefebvre" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 13:09:04 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Whips Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Mik, You are correct that the 6 ft whip is quicker on the return. I have seen Guro Ray Dionaldo, Tuhon Jimmie Sayoc, Guro Adreas Badian, all do double whip work, at a very fast pace! If you are fighting with the whip, do not neglect your handle for close in work. The Sayoc whip has a handle of about 12 inches, made of wood. It can inflict a good close quarter shot to your opponent. Also beware if and when your opponent begins to time your shots as he will then quickly enter and start the pounding on you. Guro Crafty has some vidoe footage of Whip vs stick on one of the DogBrothers videos. Check it out, when you have a chance. Gumagalang Guro Steve L. _________________________________________________________________ >From Beethoven to the Rolling Stones, your favorite music is always playing on MSN Radio Plus. No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Whips To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 06:12:33 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > he will then quickly enter and start the pounding on you. Guro Crafty has > some vidoe footage of Whip vs stick on one of the DogBrothers videos. That would be Master Tom "Tommy The Whip" Meadows. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:00:30 -0800 (PST) From: Phil Hurcum To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Other Side of town Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Nat gets my vote. Phil Hurcum Ca034 2002-01 King of Small Dogs and Hep Kats Procurer of Useless Information --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 11:00:30 -0800 (PST) From: Mr Elrik Jundis To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Day of Play Postponement Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Dear Interested Parties, I have postponed this year’s event. I will keep all interested parties informed of future changes. I apologize for any inconveniences this may have caused and instead invite people to attend the WEKAF Western Regionals. It is this Saturday 11/08/2003 at Pine Valley, Middle School, San Ramon, CA. This is in the San Francisco Bay Area and is about an hour west of last years event in the 680 corridor. For more info contact Sonny Napial (925) 736-8731 snapial@sbcglobal.net or visit http://www.bandalan.com/WEKAF Frame.htm For those unfamiliar with WEKAF I have included this excerpt from their site: The WEKAF organization - World Eskrima Kali Arnis Federation - is currently the largest organization representing the Filipino Martial Arts, with members in over 30 countries. Founded by the Doce Pares Eskrima organization as a way to promote and organize the various Filipino Martial Arts, the WEKAF World Championships represent the largest Filipino Martial Arts tournament in the world Thank you for you interest and continued support of Filipino Martial Arts. Sincerely, Elrik Jundis School of Pilipino Mastery Arts __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Ryan Meyering" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 20:44:50 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Whips Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I don't have firsthand experience in whip fighting, but I have a copy of the Dog Brother's "Sticks vs. Other Weapons" tapes, which shows some fights with sticks vs. long whips (about 9 ft. I think) and short whips (about 6 ft.). The guy with the stick was able to time his advance between cracks of the whip, so once he was inside it was no contest. Maybe in this case it was someone very good with the stick vs. someone not as good with the whip. I don't remember who was involved, but the video make the whip seem one-dimensional and not much of a challenge for the fighter with the stick. >Message: 2 >Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:25:48 -0500 >From: Khalkee@netscape.net >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [Eskrima] Whips >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >I understand that the 6 foot whip can be brought back to target faster than >whips of longer length. Does anyone have first-hand experience using the >whip in fighting? Any comments on using/learning the 6 foot whip for real >fighting? Initially, I plan to use two 6 foot whips in my "recovery" >routine after training. Would like to move on to train use of one for >"applications". > >Mitakuye oyasin. > >Be well, >mik _________________________________________________________________ MSN Shopping upgraded for the holidays! Snappier product search... http://shopping.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: gints@att.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima Digest) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 00:51:59 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Taser Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello, Do any of you LEO's have experience with tasers? Mitch, Joe, others? I would greatly appreciate your stories on any training or accounts with tasers or stun guns. An Internet friend of mine videotapes for SWAT in Northern California and offered these observations. I am thinking about trying this myself sometime and would like to hear more about it. Also, would any of you have any ideas for taser defense, as in what are the properties of the weapon? I've never used one, so I have no idea how fast it can reach a target. Thank you for any information. --------------------------- notes from my friend Mike Last Friday, I was covering a live-fire SWAT building entry where they throw a flash-bang, enter and then fire their automatic weapons at targets. The flash-bang kicked up a piece of gravel and it dinged my very very nice B&W UV filter. Big ding. Kicked up, hell. It FIRED that sucker at me. Along with a number of other members of the gravel family. Good thing I too was wearing my UV filter. The wildest footage was where one of the team members volunteered to get shot with a Taser. OUCH! It dropped him in a heartbeat. Left welts on his back like a Bee sting. --------------- Oh yes. I had to chip in $5 (he made $100 for 5 seconds of agony) to fill up the pot. The guy that paid $20 got to shoot the Taser. ------------ He was up on his knees immediately. I'd say he was navigating somewhat normally in about 5 minutes but the effects could still be seen in his body language for some time. His pay rate was $1200 an hour for that 5 second shock (we all chipped in $105 for him). Not enough I'd say. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "steve kohn" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 03:03:05 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Whip Fighting/Ryan Meyering Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I believe it was Tom Meadows in the video you are referencing. Tom is extremely skilled with a whip and quite accurate. However, it isnt very difficult to time a stick entry in such a situation. Tom teaches to use a dagger in the rear hand for backup when the crash occurs. Best, Steve Kohn >From: "Ryan Meyering" >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Whips >Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 20:44:50 +0000 > >I don't have firsthand experience in whip fighting, but I have a copy of >the Dog Brother's "Sticks vs. Other Weapons" tapes, which shows some fights >with sticks vs. long whips (about 9 ft. I think) and short whips (about 6 >ft.). The guy with the stick was able to time his advance between cracks >of the whip, so once he was inside it was no contest. > >Maybe in this case it was someone very good with the stick vs. someone not >as good with the whip. I don't remember who was involved, but the video >make the whip seem one-dimensional and not much of a challenge for the >fighter with the stick. > > >>Message: 2 >>Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:25:48 -0500 >>From: Khalkee@netscape.net >>To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >>Subject: [Eskrima] Whips >>Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >> >>I understand that the 6 foot whip can be brought back to target faster >>than whips of longer length. Does anyone have first-hand experience using >>the whip in fighting? Any comments on using/learning the 6 foot whip for >>real fighting? Initially, I plan to use two 6 foot whips in my "recovery" >>routine after training. Would like to move on to train use of one for >>"applications". >> >>Mitakuye oyasin. >> >>Be well, >>mik > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Shopping upgraded for the holidays! Snappier product search... >http://shopping.msn.com >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 1700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _________________________________________________________________ Great deals on high-speed Internet access as low as $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 22:05:19 -0500 From: Steve Ames To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Taser Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 12:51:59AM +0000, gints@att.net wrote: > Hello, > > Do any of you LEO's have experience with tasers? > Mitch, Joe, others? I would greatly appreciate your > stories on any training or accounts with tasers or > stun guns. An Internet friend of mine videotapes > for SWAT in Northern California and offered these > observations. I am thinking about trying this > myself sometime and would like to hear more about it. > Also, would any of you have any ideas for taser > defense, as in what are the properties of the weapon? > I've never used one, so I have no idea how fast it can reach a target. Gotta start by asking for the make and model of the Taser. I haven't had the privelage of being hit with any of the high end "Law Enforcement Only" models but I'll share my experience and thoughts with their (lesser?) cousins. Tasers are sold as non-lethal. There's a limit to what you can do and not push the boundaries of lethal. My friends and I (and my wife who is only 5'1", a tad over 100lbs) view stunguns as a party game. We pass them around to zap ourselves and sneak up on other people. They'll make you jump but hardly incapacitating. The record for the bigest stun gun we could buy was 2.5 minutes of constant on and the guy could still hold his gun hand steady. We started theorizing that perhaps you just need a more sensitive area. Zapping your tounge quickly became a party favorite. One of the guys took $20 to take a shot to his naked nads. He didn't enjoy it but it didn't drop him either. So we started thinking maybe its just the subdermal aspect of the Law Enforcement model. Out comes the soldering iron and we solder a pin to each probe on one of our stun guns (the big one). Someone volunteers and we stab him in the thigh and turn on the juice. He only volunteered for a 10 second burst but afterward claimed the pins stabbing in hurt worse than the actual tasering. If I could do it for free (or at least cheap) I'd love to take a hit of something that is police issue. Anything that even looks close on the net is cost prohibitive just to try it out. I'd trust my safety to a fogger full of OC/CN before any zap gun. -Steve --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest