Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:34:03 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #419 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. RE: takedowns (Patrick Davies) 2. Thanksgiving (GatPuno@aol.com) 3. Pentjak Silat in the Philippines (Leo Salinel) 4. The hand remains the same (Sam Bell Jr) 5. Inosanto Blend takedowns (Marc Denny) 6. Thanks (Fred O) 7. Custom made alunimum training knives (Anthony Dawdy) 8. finishing kamagong sticks (federicomalibago@earthlink.net) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 09:56:47 -0000 From: "Patrick Davies" To: Subject: [Eskrima] RE: takedowns Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I have this old post (for some reason): From: "Marc \"Crafty Dog\"Denny" Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 22:08:36 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Khukris, & GM Cacoy A Howl etc: While in San Luis Obispo, we hung out with Tom Meadows, known to several of you on this list, particularly for his skills with the whip. (He's the man with the whip in DB tape 6) The bulk of Tom's training is Doce Pares, with Inosanto blend as well. In conversation, some interesting points came out. Frankly, I had always interpreted his teacher Cacoy Canete's footwork as being that of a man now too old to do much footwork. Heck, its understandable, the man's 77! Tom pointed out to me that this was not the case, that his footwork was JUDO footwork. As most of you know, Cacoy's system he calls ESKRIDO, with the "DO" coming from juDO. Professor Wally Jay has been quoted as saying that Cacoy's Jiu jitsu is good, but his judo is very good. With this thought in mind, it was time to take another look at what GM Cacoy does. Tom then showed me some very recent footage of Cacoy (well shot too- a pleasant surprise) doing hubud-based sparring with his student Anthony Something, big Australian guy. Tom explained that recently Cacoy has had some cataract surgery and let me tell you, with his new, improved eyesight the man moves with renewed confidence. With new eyes, I saw that his throws, including stick throws, originated out of the judo footwork. I was impressed. Tom's comments also gave me a new appreciation for the use of the left hand in this system. End of paste.... Marc will also testify to the likes of Marc McFann skills in this area. Pat Davies -----Original Message----- --__--__-- Message: 2 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 06:33:59 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Thanksgiving Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello, Wish you all a Happy Thanksgiving. Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 03:44:03 -0800 (PST) From: Leo Salinel To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Pentjak Silat in the Philippines Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net A friend of mine is interested in training in Pentjak Silat here in Manila, Philippines. He wants to study a traditional Pentjak Silat style, not the Olympics sports-oriented style or "ohlaraga" (?) style of Silat. He wants combative, traditional Silat but is worried that religious barriers (we Filipinos being mostly Christians) would hinder him from learning authentic Silat. Are there any such Silat groups in Manila? Maybe Prof. Jocano can help us on this. :) ===== Earn $$ just by receiving and reading email! http://www.resource-a-day.net/member/index.cgi?Brandon96 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Sam Bell Jr" To: Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 09:50:03 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] The hand remains the same Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof Crafty Dog, what type of stick do you use? I have a set of 28" hickory wood and just got a set of Stickman's Panther II+'s and they are sweet!!!! I work with a gentleman from India who had me get him a rattan staff to use, and he about freaked when he felt my Panther II+'s. Sam "Rotty Dog" --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 06:54:26 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Inosanto Blend takedowns Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: Gord asked: > HI, > I was just wondering if there were any systems out there in Escrima > Digest land that utilized the legs/feet for takedowns?? > > It makes sense that a weapons based system would have this feature. I > mean there are a lot of takedowns that can be done with stick, but if > you dont want to entangle your primary weapon for a second.... > > Also, if there is information on this skill could you possibly share > some drills/exercises?? I usually use shadow boxing and find this works > very well in terms of balance and strength. Timing and distance is > another story. > > Gord Inosanto Blend has takedowns using the legs/feet up the wazoo. I'd be the wrong man to delineate which are Filipino and which not (e.g. they might be Indonesian, Malaysian, etc) but I can vouch with confidence that plenty of them are FMA. In my case, most of the ones that I find work best for me come from my Inosanto training in Bukti Negara/Serak and LaCoste. As for training methods, in order to really acquire an understanding of the true angles as a beginning some dead pattern training might be in order ;-) Then once the true angles are understood move to something like hubud. For example, to work a bizet luar (Indonesian term) work the female triangle against right hubud in a left lead and arm drag (using a wrestling term because I don't remember any of the Filipino or Indonesian terms) the attacking right arm as one steps left-right across the top of the triangle (across the gum of the snaggletooth in DBMA terminology) with a left slap to the right ear or trigeminal nerve for the sapu luar (sweep with the inside of the foot contacting the outside of the opponent's foot) Then reverse leads and do the same against left hubud. Then take one of the Panantukan drills that includes throwing a cross and at the moment the cross comes in, apply the skills previously acquired. Test in sparring. This is a typical traditional progression for empty hand. A word here about these throws/takedowns: most of them include hitting in a crashing context. If you seek to do them in a clinch context absent hitting you may not have good results. Woof, Crafty Dog --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Fred O" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 18:14:56 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Thanks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I would like to thank everyone who emailed me and posted info here. You guys are da best. I can see a great pair of stick in my future. I received enough recipes and have so many pairs that I think I will try out each and see which I like the best. Thanks again. Fred C. O'Keefe No person was ever honored for what he received. Honor has been the reward for what he gave. Calvin Coolidge ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Set yourself up for fun at home! Get tips on home entertainment equipment, video game reviews, and more here. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Anthony Dawdy" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 20:07:36 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Custom made alunimum training knives Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Check out Jason Arnold in London, Ontario (519) 659-0521 or jaybacca72@hotmail.com They can do just about anything, alunimum or real steel. All custom done, if you have a design they will do it. If you want to make it exclusive for your club, they do that with no problems. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:05:07 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: federicomalibago@earthlink.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] finishing kamagong sticks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello For finishing kamagong sticks I would recommend an oil wax finish. Since kamagong is a tropical wood, it will often suffer strains in North American climates due to humidity fluxuation, which will display itself in the form of cracking and/or warping. The benefit of an oil wax finish would be that the oil would help re-nourish dried wood, and above all the finish is repairable, unlike more permanent sealers such as Polyeurathane or lacquer. My personal oil blend that I use on most wood, is a mix of 1/3 Minwax Tung oil, 1/3 boiled linseed oil, and 1/3 natural gum turpentine. In case you have never done an oil finish, here is a quick run through. Sand sticks to desired level of smoothness (I normally go as high as thousand grit), removing blemishes and filling cracks with wood dust. Coat liberally with oil, allow 5 minutes for the oil to penetrate the wood, and then wipe off excess. After drying (about 1 day) buff with #0000 steel wool, and repeat as often as necessary to bring out grain pattern. When happy coat with a good wax (I have been using a floor wax), and buff for shine. Another option would be to just buff the kamagong, and seal with wax. Kamagong is an oily wood, so if there is no problems with dryness, on a highspeed buffer it can take a almost translucent gloss naturally. Hopes that helps Sincerely Federico Malibago --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest