Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 18:31:02 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #433 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: rhythms, music (Todd Ellner) 2. Re: Inayan strike 11 & 12 (Dave Sheehy) 3. RE: drumming (steve kohn) 4. Re: Philippine Gong Music (Magdainst@aol.com) 5. Knives in Scotland (Ray Terry) 6. Discovery channel (Dale) 7. Re: Discovery channel (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Todd Ellner To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 15:55:11 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: rhythms, music Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I haven't used much in the way of SE Asian music to practice to, but African and Middle Eastern drumming seem to work pretty well. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Dave Sheehy Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Inayan strike 11 & 12 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 16:46:40 PST Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Can someone explain Inayan KDM strikes 11 &12? They are the strikes that >both the knife and the live hand thrust the opponent. How are the moves >supposed to be made and what are the trying to accomplish? First a note of trivia. In my SLD derived Serada the Inayan 11 is our 10. Don't know if that helps anyone but there it is. As Mr Hart alluded the angles are general references of attack categories. The 11 (or 10 for me) generically describes a jab/cross combination. In specific situations it could become a stab-stab or stab-slash combination. I personally get the sense that quick 1-2 timing is the essential concept here. The 12 (which is the same in SLD as Inayan counting) has been described as the Matador strike as Ray mentioned. It is also representative of the two handed push or grab, both very common attacks. A final bit of trivia, IIRC a number 12 strike (or maybe it was a 10, I forget) was used in one of the fight scenes in "The Gladiator". Dave ~ --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "steve kohn" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] drumming Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:13:01 +0000 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I cant recall the gentlmans name, but there was a really good drummer that played at a few Dog Brother Gatherings some time back. I know he had music available on CD. Anyone out there (Marc Denny) recall his name? Best, Steve Kohn >From: "Young Forest" >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [Eskrima] drumming >Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 14:55:09 +0000 > >>Does anyone know where I can get some good Filipino drum music our general >>drum music to use when I teach or I am working out. I have often found >>this >>extremely beneficial for drills and develop rhythm in fighting. I like the >>mind set it puts me in! Any names of groups or artists would be a great >>help. > >Ain't Filipino, but try: > >http://www.besombuddies.com/music/dragon_ritual_drummers.htm > >Really talented drummers, lots of energy. > >Badger >Ottawa ON > >_________________________________________________________________ >Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 1700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _________________________________________________________________ Cell phone ‘switch’ rules are taking effect — find out more here. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/consumeradvocate.armx --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Magdainst@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 20:17:46 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Philippine Gong Music Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net You can buy a CD of authentic Gong and Drum ensemble music from the Southern Philippines, called Kulintang Music by World Kulintang Ensemble. Go to www.Magdainstitute.com or phone 818-342-2455. Credit cards accepted etc. Best wishes Cass Magda --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:59:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] Knives in Scotland Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >From www.scotlandonsunday.com/paperboy.cfm?id=1343952003 Exposed: True scale of knife epidemic TOM CURTIS AND MURDO MCLEOD THE knife crime crisis gripping Scotland is up to three times worse than police figures suggest, a leading accident and emergency consultant has revealed. Doctors at Glasgow Royal Infirmary say they treat between 700 and 1,100 victims of stabbings and slashings every year, far more than the 400 officially recorded by police. Dr Rudy Crawford, who leads the GRI team, says the scale of knife crime is massively under-reported because hundreds of injured people refuse to involve the police. Glasgow was declared the murder capital of the UK last month after new figures showed there were 81 killings last year. The citys murder rate was 58.7 per million people, double that of London and one of the highest in Europe. The revelation that the number of knife-related incidents is two to three times higher than the official figure increases the impression that violent crime is out of control. Experts believe the under-reporting of knife attacks is repeated across Scotland, meaning hundreds more casualties than are officially acknowledged. GRI medics have told Scotland on Sunday they see two to three stab victims every day and that there is about one knife-related death a week in hospitals across the city, the majority at the Royal Infirmary. They estimate only a third to a half of the surviving victims make a complaint. The GRIs upper-range estimate of 1,100 knife victims in 12 months is difficult to square with official figures. The police division which covers the hospitals main catchment area of the east end has recorded 36 knife murders or attempted murders, 99 knifepoint robberies and 269 serious assaults involving knives in the 11 months to the end of November - a total of only 404. Crawford said that when he compared an official figure of 18 knife-related incidents in Glasgow over Christmas with the infirmarys own tally it revealed 39 stabbings. "Probably, the true prevalence is two to three times what the reported statistics show," he said. "Many victims simply do not make a complaint." Doctors are not under any obligation to report to the police any injuries they suspect are the result of crime. They would have a legal duty to do that only if they believed another crime was going to be committed, such as a revenge attack by a victim. Former GRI accident and emergency doctor Mike Simpson, who now works at Monklands Hospital in Airdrie, said: "Glasgow people just love their knives. Youve got your 13-year-olds with switchblades coming out of every pocket." "Youve got your hand axes and your machetes. It seems to have started with the razor gangs in the 1960s, and just gone from there." Chief Superintendent Kevin Smith, who is in charge of Strathclyde Polices E division, which includes the Royal Infirmarys main catchment area of the east end, questioned doctors estimates of the amount of under-reporting. He said the hospitals figures were likely to be boosted by some city centre victims, who ended up at the GRI but did not appear in the E division statistics. Annabel Goldie, the Scottish Tories justice spokeswoman, said: "This is a staggering allegation. It is deeply worrying if the already high levels of violent crime in Scotland are as high as this consultant claims." The latest figures for Scotland as a whole suggest knife crime is at an all-time high. The number of recorded incidents of handling an offensive weapon, the majority of which are knives, rose 12% from 8,671 in 2001 to 9,691 in 2002. A spokeswoman for the Edinburgh Royal Infirmary said: "There are cases where patients do not want to involve the police." A Scottish Executive spokesman said last night: "While we cannot comment on these claims, we regard knife crime as a serious matter of concern. We are committed to reviewing both the law and the enforcement of knife crime." --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Dale" To: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:56:11 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Discovery channel Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I'm hearing from non-martial arts friends that the Discovery Channel special on martial arts was very good. I'm sorry I missed it. Unfortunately nobody I know locally taped it. Its too bad alright. Now if I did know a guy that taped it, I'd be glad to pay for shipping. But again, I'm not sure anybody I know taped it. Yep, its a shame. See you in the sticks, Dale info@kalieskrima.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Discovery channel To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:04:34 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > I'm hearing from non-martial arts friends that the Discovery Channel special > on martial arts was very good. I'm sorry I missed it. Unfortunately nobody > I know locally taped it. Its too bad alright. Now if I did know a guy that > taped it, I'd be glad to pay for shipping. Actually it was pretty bad, imho. Lots of flash, pretty, but little real content or decent info. The flash probably appealed to the non-martial arts types and/or the beginners, but I suspect not to those like you... fwiw Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest