Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 05:44:05 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #435 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Discovery channel (M. R. Williams) 2. Re: Discovery channel (Leo Daher) 3. Re: Discovery channel (gints@att.net) 4. Who was that drummin' man? (Marc Denny) 5. Re: Urban myths (Felipe Jocano) 6. Re: Re: Urban myth (Felipe Jocano) 7. re: Knives in Scotland (Patrick Davies) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "M. R. Williams" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Discovery channel Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 23:41:29 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey all, I saw the special and was less than impressed, especially when it came to the Japanese swordsmanship work. The "reigning champion" that they showed at the U.S. Open made me sick to my stomach with his sensationalistic "sword work." In general it showed more of tournament style "martial arts" and very little of the real deal. Just my own personal rant. Take it for what you wish. Peace, Matt _________________________________________________________________ Get holiday tips for festive fun. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Leo Daher" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Discovery channel Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:17:03 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Agreed. Really disappointing. Actually it was pretty bad, imho. Lots of flash, pretty, but little real content or decent info. The flash probably appealed to the non-martial arts types and/or the beginners, but I suspect not to those like you... fwiw Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: gints@att.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 05:24:24 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Discovery channel Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Regarding the Extreme Martial Arts program on the Discovery channel, you can learn more from this link and watch some video clips: http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/xma/video/video.html While I am not a fan of these types of martial arts, which are mostly gymnastics by highly proficient athletes while holding some sort of exotic weapon, I was totally impressed by the way these people looked! Now, I'm definitely going out and getting my chest waxed. Life is to short to wear a shirt ! Chuckle. The 3D graphical representation of the moves is cool. Imagine putting some of these sensors on your teacher and capturing his body motion. Want to map out his footwork? No problem. Unfortunately, the equipment required to input this motion looks quite complex, even though rendering the graphics can be done on a regular ol' Windows machine with the nVidia graphics card. Ever want to see a video tape technique from the other side ? This is the next step beyond DVD. First there was oral tradition, then written, then photograph, then movie, then video/DVD. Next, 3D. It's being done today on the Sony Playstation 2 and XBox sucking the life out of your kid in the living room. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:13:26 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Who was that drummin' man? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof, > I cant recall the gentlmans name, but there was a really good drummer that > played at a few Dog Brother Gatherings some time back. I know he had music > available on CD. > > Anyone out there (Marc Denny) recall his name? > > Best, > Steve Kohn I think someone already posted the info without making reference to his performing at our Gatherings, but that would be Brent Lewis. I don't know his URL off the top of my head, but his CDs are also available on our website. Crafty Dog PS: Jim McGrath played at one Gathering, and we are now pleased to have Mark Makita drumming at our Gatherings at RAW Gym. Concerning our friend Brent, who you see playing on our "DB Gathering of the Pack" video, the chick you see playing with him and calmly moving her drum out of the way and continuing playing without missing a beat as a fight between True Dog and Island Dog crashes into her is Rita Coolidge. Some of you geezers out there (i.e. my age) may remember her well. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:32:34 -0800 (PST) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Urban myths To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Ray, Haven't checked my inbox for two days, sorry for the late reply... Well, as it happens, I get back issues of the said magazine; since this came out I think way before I got into the list, I didn't know if it was discussed here. However, my attention was called to it, which in turn led me to ask if it was ever discussed here. Regarding your question: Logically, yes, it would appear that they would have allowed them to train as long and however they wanted...until it was their turn to be squashed, after having been used against the other groups. A hallmark of divide and rule strategy. Especially when you consider the fact that there are many differing language groups all over the country, so back then, people from one language group would be used against another. The fact that they didn't speak the same language was very useful, since many ethnolinguistic groups were already in some form of low-key conflict with each other, i.e., raiding each other's villages, etc. Bot > > Seems like it might have, can't recall now. Would > be in the > list archives. > > But being logical for a moment... the Spanish used > one tribe to > fight against another, yes? Seems like they would > have encouraged > the tribes affiliated with them to train however > they wanted as long > as they were effective in battle...??? > > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1700 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:39:56 -0800 (PST) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Urban myth To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Todd: Hmm, you have a point there. However, it would also make sense for the decree to ban the practice of escrima if you think about the fact that since big knives were carried about as part of the working gear, especially by the farmers, banning the practice of escrima would have addressed the use of those big knives in a manner the authorities would have found threatening. Then too, it would make the control over the rest of the population more complete. Bot --- Todd Ellner wrote: > Think of it this way, the Spanish used different > tribes to fight against > each other. They had also already conquered the > Islands. So they weren't > all that worried about a bunch of unorganized guys > hitting each other > with big knives. Groups of organized guys drilling > with muskets, swords > and cannon would have worried them a lot more. > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1700 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:53:07 -0000 From: "Patrick Davies" To: "eskrima digest" Subject: [Eskrima] re: Knives in Scotland Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net There has been an explosion of knife related muggings thanks to the poppy trade emanating from the likes of Afghanistan. Before the junkies would break into your car and steal your car stereo but as security on cars got more technical and stereos became less uniform the sh*ts started to rob the elderly. As the elderly had walking sticks the little sh*ts resorted to kitchen type knives. Having not lived in my old neighbourhood that McFann termed 'little beirut' for several years, I have not seen the amount of knives that were common years ago but if I visit I know where my back up is. Stabbings then tended to be between their own peers as they argued over who's turn it was to get the next bag. Certain cities have certain cultures and Glasgow has always had an element of knife use associated to it and to a lesser extent Edinburgh. My experiences since moving to Aberdeen were that the Chilean oil workers were the ones to watch out for(as knife carrying was more prone to their work and culture) and personal experience on the doors of clubs and bars bore out that. Nowadays its all the junkies carrying used needles or knives in case they get caught shoplifting. Other types of trouble, like the football hooligan scene doesn't see knives much at all I'm informed by knowledgeable participants. Some of the cuts at hospital would also come from glassings - the art of showing someone elses face how you appreciated that drink. However hospitals are seriously underfunded and do try and dramatise in order to get more money. I was in a nasty part of Glasgow the other week with a fighter taking part in a Vale Tudo style competition. Had a brilliant evening winning the title against a partisan but well behaved crowd, car still had all its wheels on and when we stopped for something to eat before the mammoth journey home locals seemed friendly enough. Merry xmas everyone! Pat Davies www.amag.org.uk --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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