Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:31:01 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 10 #436 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Samuri movies (TenDigitTouch) 2. discovery channel (Dale) 3. filipino drum music (rob mulligan) 4. Happy Birthday, Suro (Ray Terry) 5. Re: Philippine Gong Music (Ric Gardea) 6. RE: Samuri movies (Mike Casto) 7. RE: Discovery channel (Mike Casto) 8. RE: discovery channel (Mike Casto) 9. Myth/Banned of the FMA in the Philippines (GatPuno@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 05:08:16 -0800 (PST) From: TenDigitTouch To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Samuri movies Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Anyone see Sanjuro this past week? It was my first time to see a Toshiro Mifune film, and I enjoyed it very much. My Sensei told me that Mifune trained with Koichi Tohei. I can't wait to see some of his other movies. Red Sun with Charles Bronson is highly recommended, too. Regards, Ray Purdy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Dale" To: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:56:36 -0600 Subject: [Eskrima] discovery channel Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thanks to everyone that contacted me in reguard to my video concern. I have made contact with someone already that did tape the show. Really appreciate the kind offers. I guess the reality of martial arts is a lot less glamorous than television has traditionally portrayed it to be. Cops, drugs, and revenge take the lion's share of movie plots. Perhaps the producers of the DC series put in some flash to keep non-martial arts types from changing the channel or falling asleep. See you in the sticks, Dale --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "rob mulligan" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:23:28 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] filipino drum music Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net You can try Guru Cass Magda's wife Eleanor. She's a world renowned master of Kulintang gong and drum music. Look at www.eleanoracademia.com, or Cass' site www.cassmagda.com. Tell Guru Cass i said hello.                               rob mulligan                         ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Don’t worry if your Inbox will max out while you are enjoying the holidays. Get MSN Extra Storage! --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 06:53:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] Happy Birthday, Suro Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Tomorrow is the birthday of Suro Mike Inay, RIP. Happy Birthday Suro. We miss you... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Ric Gardea" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:47:04 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Philippine Gong Music Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net GM Tony Somera "turned us on" to the group "KODO," they play Asian tribal rhythms with strong drums. The Bahalana men and women use it to great effect. If you ever have a chance to attend one of his seminars you won't regret it. Ric Gardea _________________________________________________________________ Browse styles for all ages, from the latest looks to cozy weekend wear at MSN Shopping. And check out the beauty products! http://shopping.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Samuri movies Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:36:11 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sanjuro is excellent! Check out it's prequel, Yojimbo, too. Check the "Notes" section of this page: http://www.lovehkfilm.com/panasia/yojimbo.htm for some interesting factoids about Yojimbo. Also, "Seven Samurai" starring Mifune is excellent. Mike -----Original Message----- From: TenDigitTouch [mailto:tendigittouch@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:08 AM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Samuri movies Anyone see Sanjuro this past week? It was my first time to see a Toshiro Mifune film, and I enjoyed it very much. My Sensei told me that Mifune trained with Koichi Tohei. I can't wait to see some of his other movies. Red Sun with Charles Bronson is highly recommended, too. Regards, Ray Purdy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 1700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Discovery channel Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:39:51 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I think the thing that disgusted me most about it was the "5 time world champion" who whined about getting hit in the face. "I hate getting hit in the face. I get hit in the face and I just want to hit them back. I lose my gameplan." IMHO, that right there tells me that he's not a very good martial artist. Getting hit in the face is inevitable - if that's all it takes to throw him then he (a) needs a lot more training and (b) has no business competing to begin with - and never mind thinking about him being able to actually fight. Mike -----Original Message----- From: M. R. Williams [mailto:amacobra@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 11:41 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Discovery channel Hey all, I saw the special and was less than impressed, especially when it came to the Japanese swordsmanship work. The "reigning champion" that they showed at the U.S. Open made me sick to my stomach with his sensationalistic "sword work." In general it showed more of tournament style "martial arts" and very little of the real deal. Just my own personal rant. Take it for what you wish. Peace, Matt _________________________________________________________________ Get holiday tips for festive fun. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 1700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] discovery channel Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:47:54 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net That's part of it. But think about this, too: In martial arts, we train to achieve maximum effect with minimum effort. This means that, done well, it looks like very little is happening and, on film, it's going to look completely fake - and (as you point out) it'll be boring. So while we martial artists would really be able to appreciate that, we're not a very big audience and, hence, not a lot of money (comparitively). So filmmakers have to make things big and totally unrealistic just so it's visible on film. The general populace (the ones who really pay the bills for filmmakers) have to be able to follow the action - even if it is fake - or they won't appreciate it at all. Also, most people who don't train and haven't been in a fight don't realize that most fights are over within the first few seconds (even if they continue past for a few seconds past that, they're pretty one sided). That would make for some pretty anticlimactic fight scenes as far as the general populace is concerned. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Dale [mailto:info@kalieskrima.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 9:57 AM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] discovery channel Thanks to everyone that contacted me in reguard to my video concern. I have made contact with someone already that did tape the show. Really appreciate the kind offers. I guess the reality of martial arts is a lot less glamorous than television has traditionally portrayed it to be. Cops, drugs, and revenge take the lion's share of movie plots. Perhaps the producers of the DC series put in some flash to keep non-martial arts types from changing the channel or falling asleep. See you in the sticks, Dale _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 1700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 9 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:38:50 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Myth/Banned of the FMA in the Philippines Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello members, I just want to put 02 cent on the Urban myth. Especially the focus of banned the practices of the art by Spaniards during colonization of the Philippines. Well, during 1600s, this is not applied to the whole country, each Provinces is governed independently by each Archbishop of the Catholic Church. Like in Laguna the Archbishop is located in Pila, Laguna at that time. They are not particularly said that they banned the practiced of the arts of Eskrima, at that time the Filipino art is no particular name, just itak, Tabak, Gunong, Sundang etc. On 1596 they discouraged the Filipino to avoid practice fighting each other (meaning conflict to other Filipino). This is against to all Christian belief, they eventually on 1764 they also banned the practice "Duelo" or duel in Eskrima (which is particular to all practitioner of Fencing). This the history that you will see in many book, there are not mentioning Filipino Arts, just Esgrima, which is Spanish Fencing. This is not myth, this true, and the Filipino Martial Arts is practiced freely in the mountain. Filipino is naturally sport Craze, so even in the mountain, they used to continues the "Duelo" which most of the time the combatant results injury and deaths specially when tempers got out of hand. That why the Authorities banned the practiced of this game. On 1637 the Tagalog provinces adapted the Zarzuela (Spanish stage play) later Filipino called it Moro-moro, which known for the swords play in climax of the show. Arnis was born "harness of the hand" a decorative trapping around the hands of the Moro-moro players or actors/actresses. The so called show the player is necessary to learn basic fencing (Eskrima) and the defensive techniques from the (Estokada) a Bullfighter (Matador) techniques to fight against the charging bulls. Times went by the Filipino adapted this name to the techniques associated to the Moro-moro plays, the Arnis, Arnis de Mano, Eskrima, Estokada is become the most popular name for the Filipino Martial Arts. Among the famous Filipino Eskrimador are Jose Mercado Rizal, studied Arnis in Paete, Laguna 1874 during the time when he is courting Maria Clara (First Gilfriend of Rizal) from Laguna small town Paete. According to G. Jose Caancan a former student of Rizal in Woodcarving, the young Pepe ( Jose Rizals nickname in Laguna) studied the art Arnis to the old man in the name Elias but the last name never mentioned so we cannot confirm if it the same person of the Great Tatang Elias Baet the famous Moro-moro and Doce Pares Arnis organizer in Laguna. In Jose Rizals book he mentioned numerous time the name Elias as his favorite character to his short story. It seems like he is referring this to his maestro Elias in Arnis, Paciano Rizal his older Brother is also noted to the list of Eskrimadores during the Famous Doce Pares in mount Banahaw during Holy week at their times. But again, this is only pass on to me by mouth with my Father and small documented write up in Paete, Laguna history. Myth or no myth the important is the Filipino Martial Arts is alive and well practiced by the Filipino and the non-Filipino around the worlds. Thanks to all Grandmasters who work hard to promotes the arts. Special thank to GM Villavrille, GM A. Cabales, GM Remy Presas, GT Bo Sayoc, GM Leo Gaje, GM Nene Tortal, the Canete's clans of Doce Pares, the Balintawak GM and every single GM that not hesitate to share their arts to us. Salamat, Gumagalang Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet > > Hi Todd: > Hmm, you have a point there. However, it would also > make sense for the decree to ban the practice of > escrima if you think about the fact that since big > knives were carried about as part of the working gear, > especially by the farmers, banning the practice of > escrima would have addressed the use of those big > knives in a manner the authorities would have found > threatening. Then too, it would make the control over > the rest of the population more complete. > Bot > --- Todd Ellner wrote: > > Think of it this way, the Spanish used different > > tribes to fight against > > each other. They had also already conquered the > > Islands. So they weren't > > all that worried about a bunch of unorganized guys > > hitting each other > > with big knives. Groups of organized guys drilling > > with muskets, swords > > and cannon would have worried them a lot more Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA E-mail: gatpuno@aol.com Website: garimot.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest