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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. From another group...Car Jacking (Jye nigma) 2. Re: From another group...Car Jacking (Scott Shebby) 3. Holiday training break (Ray Terry) 4. Re: From another group...Car Jacking (Leo Daher) 5. Coconut breaking (Mark F. Ward) 6. Re: From another group...Car Jacking (Phil Elmore) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:19:10 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] From another group...Car Jacking Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello people, I have not posted anything in a while because I have been on an extended vacation, but I am back now. I want to discuss the subject of combat arenas. Most martial artists train in a dojo or dojo-type environment. Seldom will you ever face real combat in such an arena. It is wise to consider, prepare for and train for all the other types of environments and arenas you just might be in when faced with actual combat. Realistic combat arenas might include: · Your home · The workplace · Parking lots · Taverns, bars, clubs that you frequent · Inside a phone booth · Inside an elevator · Subways · Train stations · Tightly enclosed environments · Open spaces · Alleyways · Inside an automobile Each of these environments presents unique opportunities to exploit if you've trained for them realistically. Car Jacking A student of mine was approached by a car-jacker at a red light. The jacker had two associates with him but only he was wielding a gun. The occurred in what was considered a bad part of town. The car-jacker with the gun stood directly in front of the truck and ordered my student out of the vehicle. Analysis of the altercation My student followed the steps that I teach below and decided to take what he thought was the best course of action at the time. 1. Identify the Problem 2. Determine who and what is involved 3. Identify the Primary Motivation 4. Options: What are yours? What are theirs? 5. Take away the Motivation or the Remove the Problem or threat The truck was already in drive. He merely took his foot off the brake and suddenly stepped on the gas as hard as he could, striking the gun wielding assailant and running over him with the truck! When asked what happened to the assailant he could only reply "I don't know, I just took off!" Regardless of what you may think about this or how you feel, the fact is that my student was able to tell about the encounter. Many victims in similar situations did not live to tell about it. I also have a friend who had a girlfriend who responded in the exact same way. She did this only because when the car-jacking attempt happened she remembered the words of her father who had previously told her this: "The best weapon that you have is the car that your are in. If you have the opportunity to do so, just run over them with the car." You see, people all to often make the often- fatal mistake of assuming that criminals think logically. The logical thing, you might conclude, is that as long as you give the assailant what he wants then you will be in no danger. The reality is that many muggings and crimes that may be for money or cars turn violent for no apparent reason whatsoever. You comply giving the assailant exactly what he wants and pout up no resistance at all and go out of your way not to antagonize the assailant in any way. Said assailant then decides almost as an afterthought to kill you anyway just for the hell of it. You life is just that meaningless to some. A situation like the one that these two people faced could have culminated in a senseless murder even if they had complied and given up the vehicle. Peer pressure: There is always a heightened probability of a mugging or car-jacking turning violent or even fatal when you are dealing with several assailants as opposed to just one. There is that heightened element of peer pressure and even a mini-mob mentality. You may sometimes be able to reason with a single individual, use combat psychology on them or appeal to their humanity. It is much more difficult to deal with a gang, especially when one of them eggs on another or dares him to prove that he has the right stuff and can "smoke" a "vic" just for the hell of it. This is a rep-building opportunity. That's what you're up against people. Being overly idealistic about the humanity of criminals can be, and often is, fatal. Did my student want to run over this man? Of course not! Did he enjoy it? Of course not! He was a law abiding, tax-paying, working man. A husband and a father and a Christian. Did he later regret it? NO. He did not. Because he knew what many readers may not know. He knew of the countless examples of similar situation resulting in murder. He also saw that the assailants were on foot, only one was brandishing a weapon (very important) and once he took him out he would then have time to get away before his associates could pick up the gun and fire it. He chose a course of action that these car- jackers obviously had not contemplated. When you boldly stand in front of a mans truck, demand that he get out of it and give it to you while brandishing a gun you must be pretty darn certain that your intended victim will not run you over. You (the criminal) are betting and counting on your intended victims humanity and love for your life to outweigh his love for his own. Unfortunately, all to often the criminals assumptions are right and the victim passes up his one good opportunity to effectively defend himself because he, unlike his assailant, is not an "animal". No sir, the intended victim is a `humanitarian'. My associates assailants were apparently counting on that type of thinking. Like I said, criminals use Mental Combat all the time. They consider your options and anticipate your most likely response to their actions. This time they bet wrong. What about you? What would you have done? Do what you must if (God forbid) you are ever in a similar situation but just understand this, you will be totally at the mercy of the criminals if you pass up your one viable options of escape. And the newspaper headlines should convince you that many criminals have no mercy. Remember also, he who hesitates loses. You usually do not have time in any hostile situation to moralize or debate with yourself about just how far you will go to protect yourself of someone else. You must resolve those issues now. You must mentally work on developing the ability to use maximum violence if necessary without wasting time moralizing about the consequences. Better to work all of that out now so that you can act if necessary. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:00:43 -0800 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Scott Shebby Subject: Re: [Eskrima] From another group...Car Jacking Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net At 08:19 AM 12/22/2003 -0800, you wrote: I couldn't agree more - well put. Lets not forget, that the objective is to destroy the opponent before they destroy you. Everything else interferes with your ability to do combat. -Scott >Hello people, > >I have not posted anything in a while because I have >been on an extended vacation, but I am back now. > >I want to discuss the subject of combat arenas. >Most martial artists train in a dojo or dojo-type >environment. Seldom will you ever face real combat >in such an arena. It is wise to consider, prepare >for and train for all the other types of environments >and arenas you just might be in when faced with actual > >combat. > >Realistic combat arenas might include: --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:16:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] Holiday training break Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net fyi, the list will probably be a bit slow through the holidays as I head off to Ohio. Happy holidays to all, be safe... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Leo Daher" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] From another group...Car Jacking Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 14:23:00 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Excellent post. IMO, when a criminal threatens you with lethal force, he gives up his right to live. Anyone who would be concerned with a potentially homicidal attacker's well being is a fool. Leo --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Mark F. Ward" To: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:47:51 -0800 Organization: Swerving Atom, Inc. Subject: [Eskrima] Coconut breaking Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > while on my honeymoon in hawaii i watched a 95lb girl break 3 > coconuts with minimal effort. She told us that the secret was > to strike it between the largest spaced nodes in the middle. While we're on this subject, have any of you seen breaking demonstrations where there was no way there was any 'trick' or secret involved? Every time I've seen any spectacular demos in this area it always seems like there's a shortcut or a technique for achieving the break. I suppose one could argue there's a technique behind everything, and I'm not fishing for war stories - well alright, I am. Have any of you seen things that cannot be explained away through technique or 'hitting the sweet spot' like on our coconut? Totally off topic (unless some Iron Palm master whacked the earth near San Simeon), but there was just an earthquake here in California, and I wanted to let anyone interested know about an interesting resource our tax dollars pay for: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/ The site has a terrific interactive map with various sized and colored blocks indicating the strength and elapsed time since an earthquake. You can zoom in and out, drill down to see the actual seismographs, etc. It's pretty nifty. mfw --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:44:26 -0800 (PST) From: Phil Elmore Subject: Re: [Eskrima] From another group...Car Jacking To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The problem is, there are a LOT of fools out there. I've seen discussions at various martial arts fora in which it is painfully obvious that too many of the participants have forgotten the meaning of "martial." It kind of turns my stomach, really, and was the inspiration for The Martialist. - Phil www.themartialist.com Leo Daher wrote: Excellent post. IMO, when a criminal threatens you with lethal force, he gives up his right to live. Anyone who would be concerned with a potentially homicidal attacker's well being is a fool. Leo _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 1700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima -------------- - Phil Elmore --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2003: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest