Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:45:03 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #22 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Cults and Orientalism (Nat Nickele) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Mike Casto" To: Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 22:08:47 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Seminar Announcement Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Willem "Uncle Bill" de Thouars - Kuntao Silat de Thouars Guru Ken Pannell - Sikal Prof. Joe Lansdale - Shen Chuan Where: Louisville, KY When: April 24 & 25, 2004 For all the details, see the flyer at http://www.impactacademy.com/seminars/flyers/triple_impact/ Mike --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 19:22:33 -0800 (PST) From: edwintam To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] re: angling Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Isn't circling back just doing repeated rearward angling off in response to a continuous advance? So it's as if you've chained multiple (retreating) arms of the male triangle together, to get the "spiraling out" effect. My impression from some of the Dog Brother's tapes is that using the left arm to keep the attack at bay is an integral part of the process. Are others here able to circle back quickly enough that they don't need to exert constant counter-pressure with the left arm? What percent of the time are people usually able to prevent someone from closing? My guess is that the odds must better with a stick in one's hand than what we see in the UFC, but this could be wishful thinking on my part ("I can prevent takedown if I just train harder...") > I'm not sure it really does play into male/female footwork. imo male/female > seems to work well in low to medium forward pressure situations. In high > forward pressure situations (e.g. someone crashing-in, going for the takedown, > forgeting about the stick in your hand) circling back and to a side will > allow you the distance and angle to beat them repeatedly about the head > and shoulders with your favorite baton. > > Comments??? > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "L. E." To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:24:57 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Lefties - Just One More Thing Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings All & Happy New Year, I hope y'all bear with me for this late entry on the Lefties thread. Training with and witnessing Professor Remy Presas was not only educational but always entertaining. I had found out much later in my training, that he was indeed left handed & used his right hand in order to relate to teaching the majority of his right handed students. It always was fun & brought me a grin as I would watch him dismantle many of my classmates as he effortlessly switched from right to left back to right hand in midstream when performing drills. Another wonderful aspect of FMA is Sinawali/Doblecada/Compuesta etc... where the secondary hand is symbiotically trained in conjuction with the primary hand/foot. From his training with the Professor & adding his own personal insights, Master Dan Anderson has written some very informative books on Modern Arnis which take into account both left & right handed responses. I can understand the initial difficulty of learning from an instructor who has a different "primary" hand than your own. My father Pablo, who's left handed introduced Eskrima to me. I guess this is the closest "account" I could have with dyslexia! When practicing Bambollia as taught by GM Ramiro Estalilla Jr., it's much clearer to understand the relationship of both Left/Right responses to Angles of Attack & Angle of Defense. My uncle, "Gene" Rolan who had trained under GM Ramiro's father & both GM's Teodoro & Esteban Maglaya in their hometown in the Philippines, would express to me his deep resolve & conviction that he had an advantage over right handed fighters because of his left handidness. How about the person who doesn't have any hands? I've observed the late Professor Ted Lucaylucay stick disarm without the use of neither of his hands (using legs, other than direct striking)! Dare that we may investigate other uses of neglected appendages. Maraming salamat po. Respectfully, Lino Espejo _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418 --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 03:16:43 -0800 (PST) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] oracion and anting anting To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Regarding the connection between orasyon, anting-anting and arnis, it is true that there are there are tough fighters who believe in and use the anting-anting and their orasyon. It is also true that there are equally tough fighters who wouldn't touch it but nevertheless have proven themselves several times over in their arts. Both kinds are to be equally respected since they have proven themselves many times over in many ways that we haven't experienced yet (and hopefully we won't need to). However, while it is gratifying to see interest in this part of our culture, I would like to ask: Is this something you would want to be a part of? Why so? If you knew what it would cost you, would you be willing to pay it? (I'm not referring to financial cost - you can't buy anting-anting or orasyon; it is passed on) Bear in mind that in our local traditions, those who have these things usually have to give up a prt of their lives that would otherwise be significant to them. If I may digress here just to give a bit of a wider picture: Anting-anting and orasyon are not just limited to arnis/kali/eskrima but are also part of some traditional medical practices (there are healers who don't use these things). Those who use these however are not allowed to heal for profit but as a service to the community. And they can't escape the obligation. Furthermore, you cannot ask for or buy these things - they have to be given to you or passed on. It helps if you're a family member, but even these may be passed on to those who are trusted outside of the family. In several narrative accounts of healers, they underwent experiences that may seem fantastic to us, but these changed their lives completely. Much the same applies to the arnisadors - it is no coincidence that many of those who use these things are also healers as well. I hope no one takes offense at my questions above, but I do think they need to be raised. Just in case, sorry I can't help you if you want anting-anting or orasyon...many will want it, few are chosen for it. Regards to all, Bot __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Young Forest" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:36:13 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Off-topic question Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net A pretty much off-FMA question, but here goes: Anybody know what the hottest pepper in the Phillipines is? Badger Ottawa ON _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Alex Ercia" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:03:06 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] manong stories on anting anting Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Manongs stories of anting anting I heard before. It just brings back the memories of the great fightiners. I asked my instructor Ernesto Presas and he said the same thing. Similar to everytime I hit them they go down.Hehehe. Marc, it is true. Because most of them keep it secret. But not all of us believe in that hocus pocus. I was offered some but declined because it was not my thing. I did not believe that if I used it in fights it would work. But my father said my grandfather had this oraciones that he used to calm people down. Even when they were in rage and was going to attack him. I told my dad if he has seen it used and he's seen it many time. The belief though is if you posses the anting anting or oraciones forget about making money. They always said money was a bad thing for the powers. Alex _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418 --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] re: angling To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:26:45 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Isn't circling back just doing repeated rearward angling off in response > to a continuous advance? So it's as if you've chained multiple (retreating) > arms of the male triangle together, to get the "spiraling out" effect. Good point. But I would see it as female steps rather than male steps. Yes? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:15:48 -0800 (PST) From: Nat Nickele To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Cults and Orientalism Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey Marc, Great article! Your PHD friends must have really busted your chops in order to produce such a work. I particularly enjoyed your used of the word “Ensorcelled.” Seeing as how you already opened up Pandora’s Box, and how much I enjoy watching you argue, I was wondering what you think of the weird infatuation Americans seem to have with Orientalism? Does it make us believe in magic? What the heck? For example, I recently have been attending an Aikido class. The material is pretty solid, but I find myself frustrated by harmless but irritating little nuances. I hate the fact that we are a class full of English speaking Americans using the Japanese phrases for a wrist throw that, when literally translated, means wrist throw. We count in Japanese; we call the head white guy (HWG) “sensei”; we bow at every given opportunity; we kneel in the traditional position while the HWG pontificates wisdom. >ErK….< So Irritating… Must … not… Scream Now I wouldn’t call this a full fledged cult. It runs through parks and rec so there are no contracts and it only cost $40 a month (no one is getting rich). I am just astounded by the ridged traditionalism of it all. You may recall a conversation we had several months back on the digest.(I case you don’t, I kindly supplied the relevant parts. For the whole posting look at Vol 10 #131 of the digest) >Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:22:17 -0700 >The second conversation was with a student where I blurted out the >comment that you have to dive through the scum on top of the water >to get to the depths. To which he gleefully cackled "the >scum rises >to the top" Now all jokes about me being a bottom feeder aside, >these days I find that the depths, not only to be awe inspiring, but >of incredible value. And yes, one can liken the politics, BS, >agendas and meglomania commonly found in the >MA world to the >surface of the water. It really is worth it to dive beyond it and >find those depths. For the most part, I just grin and bear it. A lot of this cultural stuff interested me ten or twelve years ago. Now I just want to skip all that foreplay and get to the fun. Thanks, Nat __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest