Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 03:01:52 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #33 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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(evara@juno.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:48:35 -0600 From: excalibur921@ctnet.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] re: re: re: re: male steps Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net point taken, blade in hand vs baston in hand. however, there too depends how dilligently and hard one trains. as with other arts, it is truly the practitioner that determines the effectiveness of an art and not vice versa. through the years my knuckles, head and arms have suffered the damage of a training partners efforts. yet, i still train to be better prepared in the event of unforseen attack or hey lets face its something i truly enjoy. its only natural for me though, something i thrive on. mike --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Van Harn, Steve" To: "Eskrima Digest (E-mail)" Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:14:32 -0600 Subject: [Eskrima] Philippine Airlines Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Heard of an interesting event that occurred Wednesday, second hand mind you. Seems on a flight to San Francisco a male passenger became violent and was attacking fellow travelers. One of which, a Navy member was bitten in the face. My instructor's brother Yoy(Raul) Jornales was in the front of the plane as a flight steward. Four persons were unsuccessful in restraining the attacker including the Navy member. Yoy ran to the rear of the plane, delivered a hard knee to his ribs and an open hand strike to the lower neck. These were both intentionally chosen to not cause any injury to the "passenger" yet to cause him to stop. As the attacker fell back to the cabin floor in shock Yoy used what they are allowed to carry, a rope, and restrained his arms behind his back until FBI personnel came on board in SF to remove the man. They no longer have the use of plastic zip ties because of the legal liability of injury from the ties. No clear explanation as to what caused the man's aggravation but as Yoy was tying him up he noted that his strength was immense. Yoy, an Arnis instructor as well as boxer, has also recently been lobbying extensively to change the Philippine National sport to Arnis. Has anyone seen any press on this incident? Steve Van Harn Arnis Sikaran - Jornales System Sandatahan --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:06:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] Proposed dates for Gm Cacoy Canete Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Proposed dates for 2004 Doce Pares seminars with Grandmaster Cacoy Canete. I'm sure more will also be scheduled. Sherwin Hamburg Germany - May 8-9 San Jose, CA - May 15 Fairfield, CA - May 22 Van Nuys (House of Champions) - May 29 Gilroy, CA - June 5 Proposed Cacoy Doce Pares World Eskrima Championships, LA - June 12 IMB Seminar - June 13 South San Jose (Manuel Francisco Jr.) - June 19 Chico, CA (Chuck Epperson) - June 26 --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:28:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] re: male steps Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > point taken, blade in hand vs baston in hand. however, there too > depends how dilligently and hard one trains. Try this drill. You have the standard 22" to 24" serrada stick. Your training partner is empty handed. Their goal is to stay out of stick range, but to fake and feint and crash-in low for a take down. Your job is to use only male replacement step footwork to keep them off. Slightly pull your strikes to their head area or permit them to wear light headgear, but full power strikes to the rest of their body is fine. An enlightening exercise. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Marc Macyoung" To: Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:03:25 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] still more cults Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Steve said > Marc, you and I will probably not see "eye to eye" on commercial vs > professional schools (I do see your point though). SNIP Over > the last 30 years, and especially in the last 10 to 15 years, martial arts > business are setting new standards of operation, teaching methodologies, > advertisements, .......etc. Those who do set and follow professional > standards grow and thrive, others just creep along. Organizations such as > NAPMA, MAIA, EFC, all are helping school owners realize this everyday. (This > is where I am coming from) Actually, I agree whole heartedly. NAPMA has done wonders for the professional standards in the MA. I will also be the first to say a well run business is signficantly different than a cult. Personally, I am a firm supporter of the idea of MA schools being run along professional lines -- for the protection of both the staff and the students. > Especially as a person ages, the maturity level rises and we no longer seek > out the opportunity to have to prove my "Ego" in a bar fight (just an > example). We still can challenge ourselves through other means or methods > within our training, and hopefully not end up dead because I picked on the > wrong guy in the bar................ Again, I agree. Quite honestly, I feel that with all the benefits of the MA, solely focusing on the fighting aspect (or the fantasy version of it) indicates something is wrong with the person. Of course the possibility of violence is there, but when someone fixates on it without learning the realities of it, well, as Buz describes, that's a "cultee looking for a cult." Buz said > Whatever the case, and as several have pointed out, defining just what > a cult is can be pretty problematic: one man's cult is another man's > revealed truth. As has also been pointed out, many accepted religions > fit some definitions of the term, while someone else intimated that > institutions in power tend to label institutions seeking power cults. > The net result is a fairly nebulous meaning of the term. You're right, it's not a cut and dried issue. Even among professionals there is disagreement and that is a good thing. Because it is a diverse and complex issue, we need to look at it and understand how it can slither its way into what we are doing. Not every organization is a cult. But we must be aware of the tendencies and paths that can take us there. And by doing this, take measures to keep from falling into that trap. And from a teacher's standpoint, if not to prevent an organization from becoming a cult, then at the very least to keep it from engaging in some unhealthy business practices that will drive customers away. > There is only one concern when you > wake up, only one worry when you go to bed, every waking moment is > informed by a single need. The complexities of existence are rendered > down to a simple, singular need. > I think cult members seek to sate a similar singular need. Bingo! You have just clearly identified a MAJOR motivation for an overwhelming number of cult members and potential cult members. They don't have to think, they don't have to cope with the complexities of life. Here's the rules in a nice neat package...follow them. >There are some, however, > who allow all aspects of their existence to be narrowly defined by the > same religious tenets. Though both types may sit in the same pew, there > is no mistaking one for the other. Hmmmm...In my writing of the Web page I was more focused on the mechanics of the cult leader and the upper echelon. Upn reading your statements I realize that I had left out this very important aspect/motivation. Your summation is excellent. May I quote you, using this paragraph? I will put a link on your name if you wish. > I think > this lady was a charter member of an All My Children cult. Exactly, people with parts missing fill their lives with "order" in countlessly varied and sometimes bizzarre ways and obsessions. It's hard to believe, but Soap Operas gave this woman a means of organization for her life. That's why when people start talking about following ancient warrior codes, another culture's rules of conduct or going on about "reality based self-defense" smile and start edging towards the door. > However, there > are instructors out there with no desire to lead a cult who none the > less have a cult following. ABSOLUTELY! And that is why this subject is such a sticky wicket -- especially for instructors. There are always a certain number of people in a student base who will try to turn it into a cult. And let me tell you, from the other side it is a tempting siren's song. As an instructor, one must always be on guard about being lulled into unhealthy business practices. Practices, that seem to work because the would-be cult members are standing there chanting "Yes, yes, you are so right!" If an instructor has no desire to lead a cult, he must be on constant guard against behaviors that would take him down that pathway. >Anyone besides me ever been at a seminar > where some adoring, usually untalented, sycophant shows up, flails > around at the front of the room, and pesters the instructor at every > opportunity? I suspect that's an instance of a cult member in need of a > cult. In the same breath, ever been at a seminar where an active cult member comes in, not to learn, but to prove his master's way is superior? I had an incident like that in Germany where the guy wanted to demonstrate an undefeatable principle that his instructor based their ultimate fighting style on. I looked at it and immediately realized it was sports technique. A very valid and useful strategy in the ring, mind you, but not something I'd recommend to rely on in a fight because there was a very simple counter. I tried to gently explain "keep that for the ring" and he insisted on demonstrating, I didn't even throw him, I just stepped aside and the guy fell like a ton of bricks (going with the force was the counter). The guy left the seminar in a huff and then proceeded to do a smear campaign against me in Germany. The other guys at the seminar countered his claims of my incompetence, by telling what they had seen. He ended up challenging to meet one guy at an autobahn rest stop to fight. Not real smart since the guy was a German cop. Were these guys my cultees? No. The people at the seminar were all school owners, instructors and national team coaches. This was more of a teaching seminar that allowed them to better communicate to their students. It was a "if you explain it this way, the students understand faster and it saves all kinds of learning problems down the road" What I find interesting is how often cult members come into seminars to sneer at the inferiority of another style, while at the same time to rob that instructor blind to take it back to his Master. In my case, that's ironic because the real value of my seminars is for teaching and perfecting the fundamentals of whatever style you practice. I'm not there to teach my style, but help people reexamine theirs...so coming to sneer tends to backfire. Oh well... Marc --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Philippine Airlines To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:10:53 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Has anyone seen any press on this incident? Not yet, but I might have missed it on the local news. I'm just south of SF. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:42:15 -0800 (PST) From: Punong Guro Steven Dowd To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Manila Bound Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Going to Manila in March. Looking for Arnis, Escrima, and Kali instructors for interview for FMAdigest and FMAmagazine articles. Any help appreciated or email me privately with contact info. Steven Dowd www.arnisbalite.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 02:34:40 GMT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: evara@juno.com Subject: [Eskrima] Magellan--Cebu History ? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings from Mambaling,Cebu City, Cebu. Just finished attending the Sinulog here. For those who are interested in the perspective of the Sugbuanons on the account of the Spaniards. There are unpublished books that I have found and gives another details on the history. If you ever get a chance to visit Cebu, do researched at the Cebuano Studies Center. The Aginid, The Bisaya Patronymesis Sri-Visjaya, and the Events from Mactan from 1500-1898 are just samples of unpublished researched materials. One should always check out the source. Mabuhay;Sinugdanan ug Katapusan, Magtutudlo Ramon Rubia--Doce Pares/ Nong Momoys Original Disciples San Miguel Eskrima ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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