Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:11:03 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #37 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Manila Bound (Sonny Padilla) 2. Re: Inosanto (IMATC@aol.com) 3. Re: Re: Inosanto (Ray Terry) 4. Re: Re: Inosanto (Ray Terry) 5. Over the Edge of the World info (Van Harn, Steve) 6. being ready for anything (Steve Carlo) 7. Re: being ready for anything (Ray Terry) 8. Ustad Dan Inosanto (Seraksatu@aol.com) 9. thank you mr davies (gordon walker) 10. Re: Inosanto lineage 2 (Bill Lowery) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Sonny Padilla" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Manila Bound Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 09:26:39 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Steve, Our group is having a Kali Ilustrisimo Challlenge March 15-21/04. Pls. contact Master Christopher Ricketts at 632-872-3936 or Grandmaster Tony Diego at 632-245-2974. Also you can contact Engr. Jose Diaz Dion of DOT at 632 524-7141 local 3351. Hope this helps. Tks. Guro Sonny Padilla Kali Ilustrisimo >From: Punong Guro Steven Dowd >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [Eskrima] Manila Bound >Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:42:15 -0800 (PST) > >Going to Manila in March. Looking for Arnis, Escrima, and Kali instructors >for interview for FMAdigest and FMAmagazine articles. >Any help appreciated or email me privately with contact info. >Steven Dowd > > > >www.arnisbalite.com > > > > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 1800 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:39:18 -0500 From: IMATC@aol.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Inosanto Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Just wondering if there is anyone out there who is considered the Guro Dan Equivalent (in reverence and training participation) in the Tae Kwon Do world. Of course this is just opinion. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Inosanto To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 09:09:59 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Just wondering if there is anyone out there who is considered the Guro Dan > Equivalent (in reverence and training participation) in the Tae Kwon Do > world. Of course this is just opinion. Probably not. The TKD world and the KMA world is far larger and diverse than is the FMA world. Some specialize in TKD for sport, some for self defense, some for a workout, etc. I would suspect that there are orders of magnitude more TKD/KMA players than there are FMA players. Thus IMHO there isn't one single person these days that stands out in TKD like Danny. Hapkido is Korea's standup grappling & kicking art. The founder (according to many/some), Han-jae Ji, was one of the featured fighters in Bruce Lee's Game of Death. In Lee's original plan for the movie he was to be the most difficult encounter just before meeting Karem on the top level. Because of his status in Hapkido, Korea, and his association with Bruce Lee (like Danny) he might be the closest. But then I'm biased as he was my Hapkido instructor. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Inosanto To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 09:19:08 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Probably not. The TKD world and the KMA world is far larger and diverse > than is the FMA world. Some specialize in TKD for sport, some for self > defense, some for a workout, etc. I would suspect that there are orders > of magnitude more TKD/KMA players than there are FMA players. Thus IMHO > there isn't one single person these days that stands out in TKD like Danny. I'll correct myself here... If there -was- one person in the TKD world it might have been Gen. Choi. He is seen by some as the founder of TKD. Doubtless he was a real mover and shaker in S. Korea in the 1950s. He published some of the early books on TKD and is known in most all TKD circles around the world. In taught TKD around the world up until his death a year or so ago. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Van Harn, Steve" To: "Eskrima Digest (E-mail)" Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:27:03 -0600 Subject: [Eskrima] Over the Edge of the World info Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thanks for the Joyner info. Do you know anything about the publisher info for the Bergreen book too? Thanks again, Bot "Over the Edge of the World" Publisher William Morrow, ISBN#0066211735, 480pgs, Oct 14, 2003 Although I would recommend the audiobook too. Steve Van Harn Arnis Sikaran - Jornales System Sandatahan --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Steve Carlo" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] being ready for anything Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:29:53 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Emil, I too have trained in a number of martial arts and think the FMA mentality of no fixed response for no fixed attack is excellent. Last week we were doing a drill and my partner who was a beginner threw something at me that was "unusual." I defended and did my counter (with control!), I don't remember what I did now (and I didn't realise then either) but whatever I did, I didn't get hit and made the technique work. In many classes the instructor would be berating both students for not doing the drill, but not Wes...he liked it :) It's those little things that make me realise how I am progressing, if I step forward when do a brace block with my legs wrong (as I often do) I still make the technique work, OK so it may not work against a committed attack with a heavy weapon or a heavy bladed weapon, but I made it work and providing I work predominantly the correct way I'll be alright :) Steve _________________________________________________________________ Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up — fast & reliable Internet access with prime features! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=dialup/home&ST=1 --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] being ready for anything To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 09:56:40 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > trained. We should be trained to anticipate moves and have suitable > responses for each attack. I'm not talking about being reactive or > proactive I'm simply saying we shouldn't be caught by surprise. Someone > with 8 years of experience shouldn't get kicked in the crotch by someone > with 8 months experience during sparring practice simply because he > wasn't expecting it. Not sure I would agree with this. I used to say that 'anyone can cold-cock anyone'. The last time I got into a heated argument over this comment I proceeded to place a cold and frosty one on either side of the individual's jaw (just happened to have one in each hand). Point being that we cannot be onguard 24/7. When we're around friends or tossing down a few at the local pub or whatever, we will let down our guard a bit. This is the time when we are more vulnerable and when someone with 0 months of experience just might get to us. (Sh)It happens. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Seraksatu@aol.com Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 13:20:03 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Ustad Dan Inosanto Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Great going mr. Pat Davis Ustad Dan has done more for the martial arts then folks will ever know. Truly a student of student and a teacher of teachers. Ustad Dan Inosanto is completing his Serak at the VDT Academy He is a researcher and a great martial artist and teaches. A Cult, Nah.......... everyone is entitled do their oppinion and that is okay too, That what makes the world go around, and thank God folks have different likes or dislikes, for me and the VDT Academy he has been a True martial arts brother for a very long time. Just learn then teach, end of story. Take care Mr. Davis and may you grow and teach in what Ustad Inosanto has shown so the next generation has the ability and become great ones them selves. Pak Vic > The simple fact is that the Inosanto lineage clubs in the UK are quite > good. Some people looking in simply can't appreciate the time and effort > put in and because they feel on the outside (even though no one created > an exclusive club) make snide remarks to satisfy their impotence. They > have to just get on with their own way - Live with it. > > Pat Davies > Aberdeen Martial Arts Group > www.amag.org.uk > Pak Vic --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:36:05 -0500 (EST) From: gordon walker To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] thank you mr davies Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, Id like to thank mr davies for his post on "why we do it". Hopefully this doesnt lead to a round of back slapping. its nice to know that Im not the only one that is addicted.!! gord --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Bill Lowery" To: Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:40:43 -0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Inosanto lineage 2 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Pat, Taking things personally? As you know we've never met, so my comments were not aimed at you as I have no idea how you -personally- view your training other than what I've read here or in magazine articles. 1) >Ive heard this type of bleating going on at times and sometimes I wonder if its envy or others can see something I can't.< Its something you can't or won't see. 2) >One of the complaints is the fact that people go along and they don't learn the techniques. Hey! It sort of suggests that one, they didn't understand the seminar concept and two they simply aren't good enough then!< Or that the amount of material is so immense and thrown out so quickly, the only real way to gain a lot from the seminars is to train with Guro I, or his instructors. As with any seminar. I've been on a few different ones (not DI) and obviously the more background you have in the specific art the easier it is to pick up new stuff. 3) >The reverenced silence criticised at Edinburgh was more a sign of respect.< Try reading that again - here it is with the emphasis on the important bit re: cults: "One reviewer of an Edinburgh seminar described how the "CONGREGATION" fell silent as Guro I walked into the room!!!!!< Get it? Seminar participants, yep; students, yep; CONGREGATION - normally used in regards to a religious gathering. I.E cults!! 4) >Glasgow doesn't really let in anyone bar their own students.< Yep, I've heard this from a number of sources. Interesting way to propogate anything really. 5) > If some Bruce Lee nut wants to pay to be there that's his right and if it helps the host not lose money in promoting the arts then so be it. what's the problem?< No problem, I see. My point was that when I was there, the majority were there for the BL connection. And if you remember, the original posting by Marc MacYoung concerned cultism in the martial arts. 6) > So is it an honour to train with him, yes it is and I have no shame in saying that.< Erm, again, read what *I* said; "I am hearing an increasing number of people talk about "being honoured to be given the chance to train with Guro Inosanto". Like, yeeees, you've paid your seminar deposit before the numbers limit is reached, you're on the seminar.< An honour to train with him, fine; an honour to be given the chance to pay go on a public seminar? 7) >Some people looking in simply can't appreciate the time and effort put in and because they feel on the outside (even though no one created an exclusive club) < An assumption there as to some peoples reasons for their beliefs - oops! >make snide remarks to satisfy their impotence.< ????? Have I struck a raw nerve Pat? > They have to just get on with their own way - Live with it.< You mean, make their own choices? Thanks, I will. Bill --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest