Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 03:01:49 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #48 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Boxings Origins (Edwin Tam) 2. boxing (Ray Terry) 3. RE: boxing (Mike Casto) 4. Guro Inosanto (T I) 5. Knife DVDs (Michael Koblic) 6. Warrior's Edge Knife Fighting (Was: Knife DVDs) (Phil Elmore) 7. Re: Action Flex (Steve Ames) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 11:22:34 -0800 From: Edwin Tam Subject: [Eskrima] Boxings Origins To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Fascinating topic. As I understand the evolution Pugil presents, the original fights were toe to toe, with straight punches to the face, thus necessitating a high tight guard to protect the face. But why palm up, necessarily? Even if the front lead were to mainly do "fencing" type thrusting jabs, couldn't this still be done palm down? And if the rear left hand were more involved in catching and parrying, why not have palm down there as well (which would only help)? Was it because they were using the forearms as shields in their blocks, and so found it more comfortable to take the blows on the outside of their forearms? Pugil wrote: "During this period of time, however, Boxer's hands and arms were held in a high-guard position, with the shoulders hunched and the hands positioned close to the face. ...The front (lead) hand was mostly used in a straight delivery, with the power being applied by straightening the back leg out, almost as if lunging in Fencing. The rear hand was, for a time at least, mainly used for catching and parrying the opponent's punches. " --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 12:26:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] boxing Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Re the boxing thread, just prior to WWII cannot be correct. Perhaps WWI was what Danny meant. FWIW, for info on Philippine Boxing prior to 1929 see the appropriate link off martialartsresource.com. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] boxing Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:55:40 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Actually, he was likely referring to 1899 and the early 1900s when America first took "ownership" of the PI from Spain. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Ray Terry [mailto:rterry@idiom.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 3:27 PM To: Eskrima Subject: [Eskrima] boxing Re the boxing thread, just prior to WWII cannot be correct. Perhaps WWI was what Danny meant. FWIW, for info on Philippine Boxing prior to 1929 see the appropriate link off martialartsresource.com. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 1800 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:35:48 -0800 (PST) From: T I To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Guro Inosanto Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 11:03:16 +0000 From: Pugil To: Subject: [Eskrima] Boxings Origins Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Yes, you are indeed right Tommy, a form of 'Boxing' did indeed exist > before WWII in Europe - around 2,000 years ago, in ancient Greece > and Rome to be precise! The birthplace of the modern day > descendant, of that earlier form, however, was in fact England. Can you personally offer us a few examples of the styles of Filipino "boxing" that existed in the periods prior to WWI or at the time the Olympiad's were being held in Greece? Perhaps not. The contributions, efforts and history of many people has been ignored. Whatever you can piece together at this time in a living gifted human being with the perseverance to seek out the knowledge would be held by persons such as manongs, Guro's, Grand Masters and professors of Filipino history who live today. I suggest you enjoy them. I do. It seems that written history of the Filipino people didn't succeed in being read as far and wide as European history did. No need to wonder why it is implied in the word history. While I am sure that 99.99% of all Filipino people know about the modern incarnation of the Olympiad the Olympics, I would be willing to wager that less than 10% of all Filipino people alive know that Filipino people have martial arts! I would suggest that if Guro Inosanto left out the development of European boxing...it was because there were less than two to four days to instruct you in FMA...not the world fighting arts. I hope in the next go around the history that exists today is not forgotten, just rewritten to expose the flaws that exist so as to paint a cohesive and correct image/lineage for everything that exists. Computing systems will probably have to piece it together because they will be less tolerant of historical fiction than fact. On an aside, it sure was a good thing that the Filipino people were at the shore laying on beach towels and umbrellas, scampering around in the sand, tailgate cookouts underway, sunning and basking in the sun working on their tans when the Spanish pulled up with their ship. From what I have read a "slight" "misunderstanding" devolved into "boxing" "duels" with "rules" on the beach in rings, wherein passerby on their way to the shoppe for tea stopped and watched the events. Otherwise the representative leader and a few hundred of the new world would have lost their heads. Makes you wonder doesn't it? I love FMA! There must be a European boxing list somewhere? Hmmm...! If you have a website that you assembled information on regarding Boxing with links to resources feel free to post a URL to that living body of information. I am always trying to learn how to penetrate that space FMA style. Tommy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Michael Koblic" To: "Eskrima digest" Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:37:35 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Knife DVDs Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Has anyone seen the knife-fighting videos by Lynn Thompson of Cold Steel? Are they any good? Are they worth nearly $250? Mike Koblic, Campbell River, BC --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 17:21:17 -0800 (PST) From: Phil Elmore To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Warrior's Edge Knife Fighting (Was: Knife DVDs) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Mike, As luck would have it I reviewed the entire series (on video, not DVD). http://www.themartialist.com/0503/warriorsedge.htm Michael Koblic wrote: Has anyone seen the knife-fighting videos by Lynn Thompson of Cold Steel? Are they any good? Are they worth nearly $250? Mike Koblic, Campbell River, BC _______________________________________________ -------------- - Phil Elmore --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:19:17 -0500 From: Steve Ames To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Action Flex Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > ActionFlex - As mentioned above, this company's products were used in the > Samurai Sports sparring demonstrations. They offer a safer alternative to > fighting full contact with real sticks. Enough said. Go to > http://store.yahoo.com/actionflex/ for more information. Or email > admin@actionflex.com Not having used any of the "padded" type sticks... I was suprised by the $50 price tag. What makes it vastly superior to ye olde $5 foam eskrima stick from Century? -Steve --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest