Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:05:03 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #52 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Cold Steel's DVD's (Phil Elmore) 2. Sundry (Marc Denny) 3. Re: Cold Steel's DVD's (Ingo Bojak) 4. Cold Steel's DVDs (Ray Terry) 5. Re: Cold Steel's DVD's (DenverAMA@aol.com) 6. Re: Cold Steel's DVDs (DenverAMA@aol.com) 7. Re: Silat Zulfikari (Todd Ellner) 8. Re: Cold Steel's DVD's (Phil Elmore) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:21:36 -0800 (PST) From: Phil Elmore Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Cold Steel's DVD's To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ron, Do you happen to know if Mr. Thompson considers my review a fair evaluation of the videos? I am hoping he does; I pride myself on my objectivity where reviews are concerned. Phil Elmore 607.345.1135 Ron Balicki wrote: Mark Ward's comments about Lynn Thompson's Knife DVD's exhibit the heights of bad taste and foolishness. Calling Lynn a nincompoop is just low class. I myself am very good friends with Lynn Thompson and I think that he is absolutely right on with most of what he says about the knife industry. If you knew the man you would know that he is meticulous about his knives, their designs and performance. Lynn puts his name on that and severely tests all of his products and lays the tests out before the whole world. He is also a pretty good knife fighter. I read Lynn your post and his reply was a light chuckle. He said that there are only thing two things he wants the knife fighters out there to know; he has great respect for the Dog Brothers and what they are doing for the Kali community, and he promises to keep his products coming at the highest standard. What I think Mr. Ward should do is watch the video before slamming them to others. Only a "nincompoop" would make claims about the quality of a set of videos without actually seeing them first! Mark, do you like "Pepsi" over "Coke"? Do you think "All" cleans better than "Tide"? How about "Crest" being recommended more than all the other tooth paste's out there by dentists. It is Cold Steels prerogative to go after knife companies if he feels he has a better product. If he is telling lies than I am sure those companies will let their Lawyers know about it. Then Cold Steel will need some "Advil", because more doctors recommend it over Aspirin. I think that Lynn Thompson and Cold Steel have something fantastic to offer. If it's not for you then so be it. But you are missing out on a great product. Before you dismiss it, look at it. Watch the videos. See how Lynn makes what I consider the finest knives on the market. If you then feel the same, I respect your opinion. Ron Balicki > >"Mark F. Ward" wrote: >I hate to delurk with something like this, but I feel Lynn Thompson is, >well, a nincompoop. His behavior and questionable statements concerning a >past Dog Brothers gathering can be found in the archives of this very list, >and his propensity for badmouthing his competitors is well known in the >industry. > >I have never seen his instructional videos, and Phil's review seems pretty >positive. However, I think one's money is better spent somewhere other than >Cold Steel. > >Just my $0.02, hoping I avoid a libel suit... > >mfw > >Mark F. Ward _________________________________________________________________ Optimize your Internet experience to the max with the new MSN Premium Internet Software. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 1800 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima -------------- - Phil Elmore --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:57:09 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Sundry Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: There's been some items of interest to me recently but no time to respond-- so please excuse the brevity of the following: 1) Concerning boxing both Filipino and European, see http://www.dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=206 The thread begins with an article from a number of years back by Lilia Howe (Guro Inosanto's sister) and goes from there. There's a number of fine entries, including one by Krishna Godhania that struck this atavistic troglodyte as pretty learned. 2) > This is for those of us with a human threshold of pain and injury, unlike at > the Gatherings of the Pack - where at some point I expect to see a video > clip of people with iron bars and no protection whatsoever. LOL. We have had some rather interesting moments. One of my favorites was the fight between Brad Hodges with a large stick and Shark Dog with a kama (that Owkinawan stick thing with a blade projecting out at 90 degrees) Not only was the pre-fight interview was a classic (Umm, isn't that going to cut/penetrate? Nah, we got duct tape on it.) but the fight too. The first exchange ended with the kama's repeated caveman angle coming around the stick and gouging Brad's back and a final strike wherein the point crushed the mask to where it was pressing on Brad's eye. After I pressed it out with my stick, they went at it for more and Brad nailed Shark's funny bone and left him unable to continue. I suspect this will appear some day on "The Dog Brothers' Greatest Hits" 3) I have a Softstix knife that fits a nice training niche, but confess that I really like the Actionflex. Woof, Crafty Dog --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 12:57:07 +1100 (EST) From: Ingo Bojak To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Cold Steel's DVD's Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net On Today, Ron Balicki wrote: I agree with your comment concerning name calling, it's uncalled for. But... > Before you dismiss it, look at it. Watch the videos. > Unfortunately they come with a price tag at which I will not buy to try. I think expensive series of videos like this one should generally come with a *free* "teaser". > See how Lynn makes what I consider the finest knives on the market. If > you then feel the same, I respect your opinion. > The fact that you sell the complete line of Cold Steel knives at "amazing prices" possibly clouds your judgement a wee bit? I'm certainly no knife expert, but reading reviews and comments in knife forums and knife magazines is giving me the impression that Cold Steel is mass producing a range of decent to good knives, similar to Benchmade, Spyderco, CRKT, ... But if we are talking "finest knives on the market" then most people would point to custom knifemakers or perhaps some top notch semi-mass produced knives like Chris Reeve's Sebenza. For "warriors" the Strider SnGs seem to be all the rage currently... Or check out the sleek folders at Mercworx. Of course, knife "quality" is much less important for fighting than actual skill in handling the knife. But if I had money to burn and wanted to buy the "finest knife on the market", then Cold Steel wouldn't exactly be my first stop. If I wanted to buy the "finest car on the market", I wouldn't go to Ford or Volkswagen either. Which doesn't mean a Beetle won't get me from A to B. Ciao, Ingo -- For a person who has never seen the Orient a lotus is still a lotus, for me it is only a kind of onion. --- G. de Nerval --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:56:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] Cold Steel's DVDs Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Mark Ward's comments about Lynn Thompson's Knife DVD's exhibit the > heights of bad taste and foolishness. Calling Lynn a nincompoop is just > low class. I myself am very good friends with Lynn Thompson and I think > that he is absolutely right on with most of what he says about the knife > industry. If you knew the man you would know that he is meticulous > about his knives, their designs and performance. Lynn puts his name on > that and severely tests all of his products and lays the tests out > before the whole world. He is also a pretty good knife fighter. Just to be Fair and Balanced, it should be added that Ron does the DVDs for Lynn and Cold Steel. I like Lynn's blades, no problem there. But I've also seen Lynn move... big problems there. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: DenverAMA@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 00:02:36 EST Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Cold Steel's DVD's To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I agree that Lynn Thompson / Cold Steel has the finest quality knives on the market, and his tests he puts on his knives through most cannot stand against (if not all-it has been a while since I have tracked the testings). So very impressive. I was fortunate to meet him in Tulsa some years back at a trade show. He would probably not remember, but he trained with my instructor. I learned so much. Therefore if his videos are anything like what went on there, I am sure they are well worth the investment. As well, he invited us to dinner, paid for it and was sooooo hospitable and very cool. He had just met us, and he was that cool. There is nothing like an impression that is first hand.. and he and his staff at Cold Steel are top class. My respects to Cold Steel. Heather MonDee www.denverama.com > Mark Ward's comments about Lynn Thompson's Knife DVD's exhibit the > heights of bad taste and foolishness. Calling Lynn a nincompoop is just > low class. I myself am very good friends with Lynn Thompson and I think > that he is absolutely right on with most of what he says about the knife > industry. If you knew the man you would know that he is meticulous > about his knives, their designs and performance. Lynn puts his name on > that and severely tests all of his products and lays the tests out > before the whole world. He is also a pretty good knife fighter. > > I read Lynn your post and his reply was a light chuckle. He said that > there are only thing two things he wants the knife fighters out there to > know; he has great respect for the Dog Brothers and what they are doing > for the Kali community, and he promises to keep his products coming at > the highest standard. > > What I think Mr. Ward should do is watch the video before slamming them > to others. Only a "nincompoop" would make claims about the quality of a > set of videos without actually seeing them first! > > Mark, do you like "Pepsi" over "Coke"? Do you think "All" cleans better than > > "Tide"? How about "Crest" being recommended more than all the other tooth > paste's out there by dentists. It is Cold Steels prerogative to go after > knife companies if he feels he has a better product. If he is telling lies > than I am sure those companies will let their Lawyers know about it. Then > Cold Steel will need some "Advil", because more doctors recommend it over > Aspirin. > > I think that Lynn Thompson and Cold Steel have something fantastic > to offer. If it's not for you then so be it. But you are missing out > on a great product. Before you dismiss it, look at it. Watch the > videos. See how Lynn makes what I consider the finest knives on the > market. If you then feel the same, I respect your opinion. > > Ron Balicki --__--__-- Message: 6 From: DenverAMA@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 00:06:00 EST Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Cold Steel's DVDs To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Oh I didnt see this thread before I sent my other one or I would have worded it different so here goes: I've seen him move, live and freestyle against no chump in knife skills. He has skills... He'll cut your head off. Heather MonDee www.denverama.com > I like Lynn's blades, no problem there. But I've also seen Lynn move... > big problems there. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:25:18 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: "Todd Ellner" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Silat Zulfikari Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >I checked out their website. Interesting... >I noticed they have some connections to William Sanders (or at least did a >seminar with him). I was wondering...has anyone here ever had any dealings >with William Sanders? Anyone care to offer any thoughts, opinions, or >stories? Feel free to contact offline. Brandt and Mushtaq have done a couple seminars with WS, but they aren't affiliated with him. Silat Zul Fikari is its own thing and always has been. --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:21:17 -0800 (PST) From: Phil Elmore Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Cold Steel's DVD's To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net To be fair, it was Mr. Thompson himself who sent the videos to me to review, at my suggestion, in the first place. The obligation then falls to me to write a fair review that gives other people enough information to decide (or to help them decide) if they do indeed wish to spend the money on the tapes or DVDs. As for Cold Steel's knives, they produce good products within a relatively affordable range. The Cold Steel Peacekeeper II, for example, is a superb double-edged dagger that can be had for around 30 USD if you shop well. Cold Steel's folders are generally first rate and have good, strong locks -- though there are instances in which I think the quality level isn't up to the asking price (such as the easily dented aluminum handles on the tri-fold knife CS was selling a while back, or reports of liner lock problems on the fairly expensive Ti-Lite folder). I've heard some argue that the CS product line isn't as good as it was in Cold Steel's earlier days -- that the average product quality doesn't match what it once did -- but then, it's also much more diverse and produced in much larger quantities now. It's a good brand. Like any company, not all of its products are perfect, and none can please all customers. Does the company owner's personality have any bearing on the products themselves, or on your willingness to buy them? Only the individual consumer can decide. Phil www.themartialist.com Ingo Bojak wrote: On Today, Ron Balicki wrote: I agree with your comment concerning name calling, it's uncalled for. But... > Before you dismiss it, look at it. Watch the videos. > Unfortunately they come with a price tag at which I will not buy to try. I think expensive series of videos like this one should generally come with a *free* "teaser". > See how Lynn makes what I consider the finest knives on the market. If > you then feel the same, I respect your opinion. > The fact that you sell the complete line of Cold Steel knives at "amazing prices" possibly clouds your judgement a wee bit? I'm certainly no knife expert, but reading reviews and comments in knife forums and knife magazines is giving me the impression that Cold Steel is mass producing a range of decent to good knives, similar to Benchmade, Spyderco, CRKT, ... But if we are talking "finest knives on the market" then most people would point to custom knifemakers or perhaps some top notch semi-mass produced knives like Chris Reeve's Sebenza. For "warriors" the Strider SnGs seem to be all the rage currently... Or check out the sleek folders at Mercworx. Of course, knife "quality" is much less important for fighting than actual skill in handling the knife. But if I had money to burn and wanted to buy the "finest knife on the market", then Cold Steel wouldn't exactly be my first stop. If I wanted to buy the "finest car on the market", I wouldn't go to Ford or Volkswagen either. Which doesn't mean a Beetle won't get me from A to B. Ciao, Ingo -- For a person who has never seen the Orient a lotus is still a lotus, for me it is only a kind of onion. --- G. de Nerval _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 1800 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima -------------- - Phil Elmore --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest