Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 03:01:50 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #55 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Cold Steel DVD's (Marc Macyoung) 2. Arnis in Manila SEA Games 2005 (Emil Johan Fisk) 3. Re: big knife training? (Richard Killlick) 4. RE: Cold Steel DVDs (Ray Terry) 5. Re: Re: big knife training? (Ray Terry) 6. Re: Re: big knife training? (Anthony C) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Marc Macyoung" To: Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:26:40 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Cold Steel DVD's Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ray said.. >Lynn is a 'large' fellow with a bit of training and a lot of experience holding a blade. Anyone like that has a fair chance in a bladed encounter. You have a serious gift for understatement there Hoss My wife has a story about watching Lynn Thompson run circles around a young, aggressive muay Thai fighter at the SOF convention. The poor kid didn't have a chance. There's a reason old, slow, rolly polly guys get to be old, slow, rolly polly guys >:D M --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 20:00:58 +0800 From: Emil Johan Fisk To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Arnis in Manila SEA Games 2005 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://www.inq7.net/spo/2004/jan/29/spo_3-1.htm Arnis makes debut in Manila SEA Games Posted: 4:32 AM (Manila Time) | Jan. 29, 2004 By Marc Anthony Reyes Inquirer News Service ARNIS, one of the country's indigenous sports, will be making its debut when the Southeast Asian Games returns to the country for the third time next year. The native martial art, which involves fighting between two players swinging two rattan sticks, received unanimous approval from the Philippine Olympic Committee general assembly on Tuesday. The other 21 events in the final list of the "priority sports" that will be presented to the SEA Games Federation for approval during its meeting here on March 5 are archery, athletics, aquatics (swimming, diving, water polo), billiards, boxing, basketball, baseball, bowling, chess, dancesport, golf, gymnastics, equestrian, fencing, judo, rowing, softball, taekwondo, triathlon, wrestling, wushu and traditional boat race. "We are very grateful that they considered our sport for the SEA Games," said Jose Dion Diaz, president of the Indigenous Games and Sports Savers Association of the Philippines. "This will serve as springboard for the launching of arnis in the global arena." Football, badminton and table tennis, which are regular events in previous SEAG, are expected to make it into the roster of sports during the SEAG Federation meeting, where 10 to 12 events are expected to be added to the 22 "priority sports." Dancesport, an event where organizers hope to deliver more gold medals for the country, will also be making its maiden appearance in the biennial meet. Golf and bowling, which produced five gold medals during the 2001 Kuala Lumpur edition, will be making a comeback next year after being taken out of the roster in Vietnam last year. Officials stressed that the priority sports were chosen based on their gold medal potential for the host country. However, the Philippines can put in no more than 20 medal events for each discipline. The ruling was based on the new SEAG guideline which limits the host country from padding the number of medals to more than five percent of the total golds. POC estimates there would be at least 400 gold medals that will be at stake in 2005. Also left out were volleyball, karatedo, shooting, board sailing, weightlifting, bodybuilding and squash, events where the country traditionally don't do well. "If other countries push for their inclusion then they just might make it to the final list of events," said POC secretary-general Romy Ribaņo. ------------ Emil: The final sports to be included in the Games will be decided on March 5th, 2004. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail has been sent via JARING webmail at http://www.jaring.my --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Richard Killlick" To: Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 12:35:35 -0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: big knife training? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Following my hernia op on Wednesday, someone gave me a large bowie as a gift (it feels like my surgeons used it to operate on me at the moment). Anyway can anyone on the list offer any insights into training with it or recommend any videos. I have had some training in the army and some FMA knife training, but this thing feels like a small sword, so I am looking for advice on how to use it to kill things, not do demos etc. I feel I could use it ok right now but would be interested if there are any specific things I should train. Yours in pain Richard Killick --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 08:42:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Cold Steel DVDs Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Ray said.. > >Lynn is a 'large' fellow with a bit of training and a lot of experience > holding a blade. Anyone like that has a fair chance in a bladed encounter. > > You have a serious gift for understatement there Hoss Yep, I'm not too over the top. :) In all fairness to Lynn, the times I saw him in person was not-sure-how-many years ago. He has hopefully improved a lot over that time. I hope I've improved a lot over that same time. I hope we've all improved a lot over that time. The times I saw him he moved very slowly and after about 30 or 45 secs was ready for a beer break. Or course, I'm -always- ready for a beer break... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: big knife training? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 08:50:28 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Following my hernia op on Wednesday, someone gave me a large bowie as a gift > (it feels like my surgeons used it to operate on me at the moment). Anyway > can anyone on the list offer any insights into training with it or recommend > any videos. The bigger the knife, the easier it is to disarm you. One thing to work on might be knife retention. FWIW, Jim Bowie's knife work was apparently based on western fencing. A big honking knife like a Bowie works well in a fencing type system. They also chop well. All things you are no doubt well aware of. As for Bowie videos, not sure. Keating seems to like big knives, but I can't really recommend anything from him. Someone will no doubt think I'm dis-ing him now, but I just don't know much about him. The one video of his I saw (tomahawk) was fair. Sounds like Cold Steel's DVD was big knife based. Seems that Gints liked it... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 10:43:27 -0800 (PST) From: Anthony C Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: big knife training? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Richard, Ouch on the hernia...I've had them too. What model of Bowie did you receive? I have been gradually incorporating a large dedicated Bowie fighting knife into my FMA practice both in and out of the Dojo. My intent is to use it as the weak hand dagger in Espada y Daga as well as my primary fighting knife. In class I have found the additional reach afforded by it's length (11" blade) can be a real plus. Bill Bagwell's book on Bowie knives (look on Amazon, search by his name) is a good place to start. It is a series of columns from his "Soldier of Fortune" days as a columnist and a maker of dedicated Bowie fighters. As for training I have been using the standard FMA tactics and the Bowie really shines there. For Bowie specific techniques I have been told by Bagwell that Keating's material is the best. Apparently this is one of his specialties. Keating and Bagwell did extensive research to unearth some of the older dueling techniques for the Bowie from the 19th century. A close friend who teaches the Italian system of fencing (similar to Espada y Daga in some ways) feels the Bowie is ideal for fencing tactics as someone else has mentioned. Last September I spent an entire day looking at Bowie knifes at the Spirit of Steel show in Mesquite, Texas. I had the chance to handle the work from the best of the best when it comes to Bowie knives. It was a most enlightening experience. The most important distinction to make is that there are two different kinds of Bowies. Those optimized for general purpose use as a tool and those which are designed to be dedicated fighters. The fighters are extremely lightweight as they use a thinner stock of steel that cuts down on the weight. The best fighting Bowies also have a very neutral balance and lively feel in the hand. Bowies are fast in the extreme, but will be an average tool for most chores in the woods. The blades are sharpened and balanced for cutting men, not wood. Many Mastersmiths (their top rating) with the American Bladesmith Guild (ABS) specialize in nothing but Bowies. I found that for $700.00 to $1100.00 you could own the finest Bowie fighting knife money could buy. Conversely if you find that too expensive for your blood I saw a couple of makers who were very close in quality and handling for $300.00 to $500.00 range. Of course, a lot depends on the handle material, length, and steel you want. The above ranges are based on carbon steel with a stabilized wood or synthetic handle. Waiting period for the best was usually nine months to three years with one maker going for five years. Many of the Mastersmiths can deliver withing a two year window. If anyone is interested in discussing this further or getting the names of the bladesmiths please contact me off list. Good luck in your lessons. - Anthony --- Richard Killlick wrote: > Following my hernia op on Wednesday, someone gave me > a large bowie as a gift > (it feels like my surgeons used it to operate on me > at the moment). Anyway > can anyone on the list offer any insights into > training with it or recommend > any videos. > > I have had some training in the army and some FMA > knife training, but this > thing feels like a small sword, so I am looking for > advice on how to use it > to kill things, not do demos etc. > > I feel I could use it ok right now but would be > interested if there are any > specific things I should train. > > Yours in pain > > Richard Killick > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1800 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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