Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 06:01:07 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #65 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Human Cockfights (Felipe Jocano) 2. Fwd: The world's biggest balisong (Felipe Jocano) 3. Ideal Non-Filipino Sword for FMA (Anthony C) 4. Re: Silat Sabubgin! (ulfhead@integrity.com) 5. Re: Live Steel! (ulfhead@integrity.com) 6. Re: Human Cockfights (Uli Weidle) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 22:30:11 -0800 (PST) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Human Cockfights To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Just adding to my previous post. Far be it from me to start a pissing match - I can't generate enough piss anyway :-) so no intent to do that. This is where I'm coming from. My interest in this started with seeing the name on the list of videos that was posted a few days ago and wondering about the name silat sabungin, as well as the other stuff posted there. I'm a native speaker of Tagalog and the name (and the others) didn't sound quite right, at least to me. Not that I claim to be an expert, hu-uh. Now this caught my attention because the posting said this was a system from the Philippines. Well, OK, but the name itself sounded pretty awkward for something supposed to come from over here. If it's Mr Loong's own system, then hey, if he wants to call it that way, sure, go ahead. I haven't seen it, so I'm curious to see what its like, and if he can make it work, then that's good. The art advances, regardless of how weird the name may sound to others. But if its supposed to be from over here, then with a name like that, I'm curious as to where it's practiced, who taught it to him and how it's done. If I read Tom Furman's post right, it appears that there's been pissing matches going on about names from way back when. Well, I ask questions, but I don't want to fan smoldering embers, seeing the context like that. My questions, however, still remain. Which part of the Philippines is it from? Who does it here? How does it look like? Bot __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 23:51:23 -0800 (PST) From: Felipe Jocano To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Fwd: The world's biggest balisong Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woops, typed in the wrong address. Had to retrieve it and send it again as a forwarded message. Bot Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html Received: from [203.215.76.150] by web40504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 23:46:57 PST Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 23:46:57 -0800 (PST) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: The world's biggest balisong To: eskrima@martialartsresources.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 791 Hi everyone, For those of you in Metro Manila, or will be here within this week, check out UP Batangan's exhibit at the University of the Philippines Diliman Main Library gallery, 2nd floor. On display are various examples of balisong, including what is labeled the world's biggest balisong. The thing is 8 1/2 ft. when closed and 16 1/2 ft. when open. The blade appears to be made of solid steel, but the handle felt like it was made of wood. UP Batangan, by the way, is the association of UP students who are from Batangas province. Regards, Bot P.S. Q. How do you open a balisong like that? A. Carefully. With lots of friends. :-) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 23:54:34 -0800 (PST) From: Anthony C To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Ideal Non-Filipino Sword for FMA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Everyone, My background is a bit different from the other FMA practitioners I have met in my classes. Most of my studies have centered on firearms and medium sized knives (i.e., 4 to 6 inch blade). As a result, when I approach something combat oriented I tend to look for the best tool for the given task. When doing so I approach it in a very structured and scientific manner. In studying swords from non-Filipino sources that would be ideal for the Espada y Daga component of my FMA studies, I have found several designs that I feel would be a superior choice over the traditional Filipino swords. Further, having studied formally in an organized class and self study for two years, I feel I have a very good grasp of what is needed in an FMA sword. Most of the knives and swords used in FMA were originally agricultural tools pressed into service as weapons. While this can be done very effectively, I have always felt that the most effective and deadly weapons were designed from the beginning as weapons. With this in mind, I set out to identify non-Filipino swords with an overall length from 24 to 31 inches that could be wielded easily with one hand. The length is to roughly equate the length of the typical escrimia sticks used in the FMAs. Roman Gladius (Various Infantry Length Versions) - the ubiquitous sword the served the Empire well throughout its long history. http://www.albionarmorers.com/swords/adt/adtpompeii.htm Italian Cinqueda - 15th century version of the Roman Gladius http://www.albionarmorers.com/swords/deltin/dt2164.htm Falchion - 13th century English chopping sword. http://www.albionarmorers.com/swords/deltin/dt5131.htm Katzbalger - 16th century German/Swiss design for elite troops http://www.armor.com/2000/catalog/item149.html Knightly Riding Sword - 16th century Italian sword slightly longer than stated range, but an elegant and appealing weapon. http://www.armor.com/2000/catalog/item036.html Town Guard Sword - 17th century German design that is well out of stated range, but an awesome weapon for FMA largo range fighting. The balance, cutting, thrusting, and hand protection qualities of this piece are hard to find. http://www.armor.com/2000/catalog/item192.html Rapier - I've also been very intrigued with the long but agile Rapier as used in the Italian sword and dagger systems. A close friend of mine excels in several styles and the techniques used with this type of sword are very hard to counter. http://www.armor.com/2000/catalog/item162.html http://www.armor.com/2000/catalog/item084.html http://www.armor.com/2000/catalog/item168.html http://www.armor.com/2000/catalog/item171.html Wakizashi - classic medium sword of the Japanese Samuri. Horseman's Axe - although this is not a sword, it caught my eye due to its length and configuration. http://www.armor.com/2000/catalog/item006.html Himilayan Imports 18" WWII Khukuri - although not truly a sword or a knife, this deadly weapon is easily adapted to FMA blade concepts. http://store7.yimg.com/I/yhst-7333098713883_1779_7048456 Have any of you found designs similar or different to mine that you feel would serve well? If yes, what models and why? Thanks for the input. - Anthony __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html --__--__-- Message: 4 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 03:06:51 -0600 (CST) From: ulfhead@integrity.com Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Silat Sabubgin! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (1) Well first off let me apologize for any spelling errors such as fillipines etc... Those were due to the fact that I was running on little to no sleep and that I am a science teacher by day (we are not know for our spelling). I'm sure this e-mail will be loaded with them. So no disrespect intended and thank you to those who helped with those errors. (2) Next let me try to clear up a few things on Silat Sabungin. Torke' Blaise would do a much better job than I but here we go... Sabungin (as we have been taught to and are using it) is the action verb "to cock fight". It is not the noun. Thus it is a blend of a short knife fighting style based on cock fighting and silat. Both fit quite nicely together. Watch the dvds if you get the chance and it is apparent that they do not conflict. If the dialects do not fit similar origins it is because it is a blend from Blaise. However, he had his influences and always gives credit where credit is due. None of us, or few of us, are self made but stand on the shoulders of, well giants. (not to sound too corney). Guru Stark, at Combat-Silat has reviewed and carries our dvds so if you want his opinion by all means ask him. We are shooting Silat Sabungin vol. 3 this weekend so more is to come. Thanks for the questions and keep them comming. - Tyrkon Lawson - (Senior Istructor & Lead Cameraman) --__--__-- Message: 5 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 03:27:08 -0600 (CST) From: ulfhead@integrity.com Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Live Steel! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I just have to comment on this one. We have gotten a few e-mails, God knows why, from people that are all upset that we say we train with live steel and that our dvds are filmed the same way. I'm sorry if that offends anyone but that's just how it is. What serious practitioner doesn't, barring his/her art is empty hand only? If your system incorporates steel, you train with it. Simple. We do not jump in the pit with real steel and fight to the death in class with each other. Who would be left? But we do drills, practice techniques, and some light sparring. Let me assure you that there is simply a whole new level of awareness you get when you and your partner are facing a blade. Those of you who do the same know what I mean. We are not claiming to be the only ones to use live steel. But it is a great selling point for our dvds as there are not many that I have seen that use steel as much as we have through out the dvd. Thus we might be showing our viewers a slightly different angle. And no that doesn't mean that we think our dvds are superior to those that are all wood and plastic. It's just a different approach. Look at our sites and you will see that we sell plastic battle sticks. We give much respect to anyone who trains earnestly, seeks to better themselves, and chooses to share as we are. I have learned much from Torke' Blaise but I also know he has learned much from others such as Dan Inosanto, Edgar Sulite, G.M. Leo Giron, and many others as well. And none of us are finished. There is a lot of good stuff out there from a lot of skilled people and I plan on finding as much of it as I can. Thank you for your time. P.S. Sorry about any spelling errors. - Tyrkon Lawson - (Senior Instructor & Lead Cameraman) --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 14:21:57 +0100 From: Uli Weidle To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Human Cockfights Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Regarding: Re: [Eskrima] Human Cockfights Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:38:14 -0800 (PST) Tom Furman wrote: > > Richard Bustillo told me that during the '89? WEKAF > > tourney, he met guys who sparred in the Phillipines > > exposing only an inch of blade and going to the > > first bad cut. Ray Terry replied: > Sounds like a description of prison fun-n-games Yes it might sound that way, but the tradition is still alive in some places in the Philippines. In my recent stay from last years December to this February my friend Danny fought and won in a tournament that was with sticks that had nails attached. I missed the event a few days but when I met Danny he showed me pictures of the fights. If he gives me permission to do so, I will put the pictures on the web site. But it was a tribal issue and I don't want to publish without his explicit permission. Greetings from Germany! Uli http://www.pekiti-tirsia.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest