Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:15:06 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #66 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Cestus (Young Forest) 2. Swords (Stephen Lamade) 3. Re: Re: Live Steel! (Ray Terry) 4. Short blades (Pugil) 5. Important information about the 2nd FMA-festival in Gemrany (abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de) 6. Live Steel (Marc Scott) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Young Forest" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 15:14:07 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Cestus Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Speaking of the Cestus, Donn Draeger notes its use in India as well. There >is a >picture of one being used in _Asian Fighting Arts_. Hey Pierre, fancy meeting you here :-) Anyway, technically that is a vajra, not a cestus. Badger Ottawa ON _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/features&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Stephen Lamade" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:03:38 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Swords Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net With respect to: "In studying swords from non-Filipino sources that would be ideal for the Espada y Daga component of my FMA studies, I have found several designs that I feel would be a superior choice over the traditional Filipino swords. Further, having studied formally in an organized class and self study for two years, I feel I have a very good grasp of what is needed in an FMA sword... Have any of you found designs similar or different to mine that you feel would serve well? If yes, what models and why?" So many swords, so little time... Generally the length, design, and weight of the sword dictates the techniques of the art; for this reason, there are differences between styles of EyD within the FMA's. With respect to largo mano EyD: Rapiers with an edge as well as a point as represented on your post will all function quite well as long as the FMA EyD you are practicing takes their function to heart. These swords are generally longer than those used in FMA. You may also want to consider the type of dueling sabre used in Germany at the turn of the 20th century; other alternatives could include the Radaellian fencing sabre as well as the schlager blades used in German university fencing. You might consider the jian (gim), i.e., the Chinese scholar's straight sword. There is a two-handed soldier's version but it may be a little long for Filipino EyD. The 1917 Naval cutlass is well-suited to largo styles - particularly power-oriented slashing and thrusting styles. For all extents and purposes, it functions similarly to the pinute. For the daga, I prefer the Fairbane-Sykes dagger - but any longer, double edged knife will do. I'm not sure if any swords have an inherent "superiority" over others; there are different swords for different purposes, used for better or worse. A dueling rapier is out of place in a melee, for example. Best, Steve Lamade _________________________________________________________________ Stay informed on Election 2004 and the race to Super Tuesday. http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Live Steel! To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 08:15:46 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > I just have to comment on this one. We have gotten a few e-mails, God knows > why, from people that are all upset that we say we train with live steel... I'd be fairly surprised to find that there are FMA groups that did NOT train with live steel. At least once in a while... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:42:41 +0000 From: Pugil To: Subject: [Eskrima] Short blades Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Tom Furman wrote: "Richard Bustillo told me that during the '89? WEKAF tourney, he met guys who sparred in the Phillipines exposing only an inch of blade and going to the first bad cut." Ray Terry replied: "Sounds like a description of prison fun-n-games" Uli Weidle then said: "Yes it might sound that way, but the tradition is still alive in some places in the Philippines. In my recent stay from last years December to this February my friend Danny fought and won in a tournament that was with sticks that had nails attached. I missed the event a few days but when I met Danny he showed me pictures of the fights. If he gives me permission to do so, I will put the pictures on the web site. But it was a tribal issue and I don't want to publish without his explicit permission." If you visit places like Liverpool in the UK you may, if you are unlucky, come up against someone, in a real-life encounter, who simply uses a craft knife (Stanley Knife), often fitted with two blades which are then separated by a small coin or metal washer. The blade(s) only protrude from the handle by about an inch. The weapon is never openly brandished or displayed, it is simply slashed across your face - or stabbed repeatedly into a soft fleshy target, such as your arse. With the blades being slightly apart, any slash attack will remove a strip of flesh which, I am reliably informed, leaves a wound which is a bugger to stitch without leaving a really horrendous scar. Pugil --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:04:47 +0100 From: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de (=?windows-1252?Q?Dieter_Kn=FCttel?=) Organization: Abanico To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Important information about the 2nd FMA-festival in Gemrany Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi everybody, here some informaiton for people, who will participate at the fma-festival at the 6th and 7th od march 2004 in Germany At the moment we are making the training scedule. Here we have to tell a bad news: Out of personal reasons beyond our comprehension, Dionisio Canete will not be part of the festival. We tried to argue, that it would be good for him and Doce Pares to come, but he does not want. Then, of course, Franz Stroeven, his european representative, does not come either. So Doce Pares will not be part of the FMA-festival. We think it is a pity, but it is neither our choice nor our fault. The good news is: we found somebody excellent, who will teach instead: Bram Frank, the designer of the gunting knife and founder of the Common Sense Selfdefense/Street Combat System will be there and teach. He was elected as one of the top 10 knife instructors of the US. I am very glad that he will be there and it will be an enrichment of the festival for sure. Here is Brams website (http://www.cssdsc.com/index.htm) where you can find information about him. We also had a problem with Bob Breen from england, who suddenly said he could not not come, but through intensive intervention of Alfred Plath, he will be coming, but only on Sunday. Still, he will teach his 4 lessons, like all the other instructors. On the way, there are still minor and major problems, but from what we know by now, all the othere instructors will be there, even though it is very hard to coordinate everybody, so that they all will be there at the same weekend. When you come, please come early on saturday, because we have a soccer game of Borussia Dortmund only a few hundret meters away, where 80.000 spectators are be expected. And we share the parking lot. The game start as 3.30 p-M. but the fans like to be there a few hours early. So make sure, you will be there before them. We start the registration already at 10:00 oclock so so we have enough time. There will be a few hundret participants and this will take some time to register. So please come early, so you find a parking spot and you can eat something before the festival starts and you can have a little rest. When you are there, we want to know a few things from you: if you stay overnight at the gym (at no cost) if you want to participate at the breakfast buffet at sunday morning in the restaurant of the gym (7 Euro) and if you would like to order a lunchbox for Sunday. Nayway, all over both days, you can buy snacks at the festival, so that nobody needs to starve. We will introduce the instructors of the festival at 12:45 so that we can start telling about the contents of the first trainings at 1 o´clock p.m. and begin with the training at 1:10 sharp. There will alway be 7 instructors teaching at the same time. The lessons will be 50 minutes long We will train 5 lessons on saturday. The training will finish at 6:10 p.m. . From 6:15 p.m. through to 8:30 p.m. there will be dinner. The FMA Gala exhibition will start at 9 oclock p.m. After the gala there will be a chance to sit, talk, make contacts and celebrate up to 2:00 oclock a.m.in ther restaurant of the gym. On Sunday morning, there will be breakfast buffet (7 Euro) at the restaurant from 6:30 a.m. to 8:30 a.m. But there is also the possibility to buy small snacks as breakfast. Then we will have training again from 9:00 oclock a.m. through to 3 oclock p.m., so that we will be finished with the handing out of the certificates and saying goodbye by 4 olock p.m. Please keep that in mind, so that we have still a decent crowd at the end and that the end of the festival does not scatter away after 2 p.m. or so. We don´t have a lunchbreak on sunday, because this is taking training time away, but you van buy some snacks all over the day. Between the sessions there is always a break of 10 to 15 minutes. This were the most important news up to now. Please tell friends and mates, from whom you know that they want to participate about this. Even if you have not yet registered, you are still very welcome. Please keep in mind, that the 2nd dicount phase ends at the end of february. If you have questitons about the registration or want to register in a group, please contact Alfred Plath with this e-mail adress: quick-stick@t-online.de If you have any more questions, don´t hesitate to mail, I will try to answer them. dk@abanico.de Best regards from Germany Dieter Knüttel FMA-Festival Organisation http://www.fma-festival.de --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:49:17 -0800 (PST) From: Marc Scott To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Live Steel Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The problem with live steel is that it does not allow you to train with any realism, unless you have no care that you may slash and cut your opponent. I have to wonder if you use live steel do you ever make contact with your training partner? If not then you are simply mimicing real training and using live steel as a selling point. If your system is so effective, and you train with live blades, shouldn't you at the very least be cut up or dead? Everytime I have seen "live blade" training they always play at a reduced speed, or rely on impossibly useless techniques to get around the fact that if they mess up they get cut. Live blade training is not a feat of daring-do, but of foolishness. Marc Scott Kalis Ilustrisimo/FFS __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest