Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:33:05 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #68 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. New Modern Arnis Book! (Danny Anderson) 2. Re: Live steel... The saga cintinues... (ulfhead@integrity.com) 3. Re: LIVE Steel (Bakbakan@aol.com) 4. Live Steel Sparring (POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com) 5. 1917 cutlass (Michael Koblic) 6. dvd production (Johnny Brown) 7. Viking Martial Arts? (steve kohn) 8. Live Steel Training (steve kohn) 9. RE: Silat Sabungin?? (David Eke) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Danny Anderson" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:43:18 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] New Modern Arnis Book! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi All, I want to announce that this coming Friday, my newest book, "Mano y Mano - Weaponless Fighting Applications Of Modern Arnis" will be available on my website at danandersonkarate.com. This is the first book, I believe, to be exclusively devoted to the empty hand applications of any Filipino martial art.  I include in it the punching, kicking, blocking actions from Modern Arnis as well as their cane origins.  I include empty hand drills, throwing, and all 8 anyos plus applications as well.  I excluded joint locking as that i s the subject of the next book I am working on.  Here is a review posted by Dr. Jerome Barber: "Hi Dan, I have a suggestion - Modern Arnis Mano y Mano  Ok, now to the serious part. I just got a CD copy of the book and I want to let everyone know that this is a "absolutely must have book!!" Dan, this is a very valuable book and I am so happy that you put it together for the general public. I am also looking forward to the hard copy which I will add to my collection of your books already in print. Excellent work my friend and I would love to have everyone copy this review and post it on every martial arts forum site that they subscribe to and post on. The text is very clear, concise and complete. This book is very well written. The photo copy that accompanies the text is both appropriate and impeccably shadows the written text. Dan, you have totally captured the pure essence of the late Professor's empty hand art as well as anyone could have done, yet it is equally important to note that your personal approach to the art is quite apparent. You have captured the "art within your art" concept and then 'made it for yourself' just as Professor always said it should happen. I am very proud of you and this work that you have produced. I truly hope that this book and CD will be an absolute sales success because it deserves to have that distinction." Sincerely, Jerome Barber, Ed.D. Director & Principal Instructor Independent Escrima-Kenpo-Arnis Associates   ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get fast, reliable access with MSN 9 Dial-up. Click here for Special Offer! --__--__-- Message: 2 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:36:01 -0600 (CST) From: ulfhead@integrity.com Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Live steel... The saga cintinues... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Man those are some great responses. Some of you hit the nail on the head or at least conveyed my feelings almost exactly. Lets break this down a bit... Some of you did a great job of that already but... (1) We train with rattan so we can go full speed, spar, etc... without holding back and with out worrying about mortally injuring our partner. (But rattan can still be deadly so care is needed and varrying degrees of force can be applied). (2) We also train with extreemely durable plastics. We use this for sticks, swords, knives etc... I like the plastics because they hold up much better than wood, I feel, after hitting the floor after countless diarms. Plus I like to make custom plastic trainers exactly like the real weapons I use. I know wood can be used the same way. It's just my preference. (3) We train with live steel solo and with a partner like #1 and #2 above can be done. Does that mean that everything is done the same way? Not hardly. As someone so perfectly pointed out live steel changes things up a bit. No you do not want to have a full contact spar with your partner using live steel. No you do not want to get used to doing techniques or combos. in slow motion (that's why we use the wood and plastic), yes using live steel will teach you first hand why you do not want to block with the edge of your blade, yes live steel will keep you from charging in to a live blade as can be seen all to often in simulations using sticks and wooden mock-ups. (4) When I say we train with live blade that does not mean exclusively. In fact we have empty handed as well. It's not all or nothing guys. It's not about who has brass balls, though it is a rush, but using live steel is an enrichment tool for training. Take a look at all the posts that have responded to this topic. I think it is apparent by now that we are neither the originators of nor the only ones implementing live steel in their training. I'm sure their are plenty of awesome warriors out there that never use steel and could do quite well tomorrow if they had to use it. But it is my preference and belief that it is beneficial. What ever works for you guys is great. (5) And one last thing here, sorry I am rambling, when I mentioned that live steel was a seling point in our dvds I did not mean that's all we use live steel for (its not a gimmick for us). I was just pointing out the fact that we use it throughout most of the dvds. Another angle for our viewers. Again, its not all or nothing. We would use it either way. But I was making the point that we were not intending to imply that we alone were the mighty brave warriors who use the live steel. There are lots of us out here. Happy trainning. P.S. I will respond to the Viking warcraft in the next post. Sorry but I can't help the spelling errors. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Bakbakan@aol.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:54:31 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: LIVE Steel Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net IMO...the use of LIVE steel in solo training is essential for blade orientation, mechanics and precision. However, there is no place for LIVE steel when training E-H knife defenses (as often demonstrated) because there is no true "intent" behind the attacks. Consequently, the timing/reaction/reflexes necessary to defend or at the very least evade is not truly tested. Yours in the Arts, John G. Jacobo BAKBAKAN International --__--__-- Message: 4 From: POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:57:21 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Live Steel Sparring Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net There are photos on Animal's page of him swordfighting with just welding gloves. He is a veteran swordsman and his input here would be appreciated among many of the talented members who have spoken. Animal?? (www.nononsenseselfdefense.com) Tom Furman www.physicalstrategies.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Michael Koblic" To: "Eskrima digest" Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:00:36 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] 1917 cutlass Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Stephen Lamada wrote: "The 1917 Naval cutlass is well-suited to largo styles - particularly power-oriented slashing and thrusting styles. For all extents and purposes, it functions similarly to the pinute." I am not sure if the model referred to is the Cold Steel replica. I have one of these and find it a horrible weapon with poor balance and slippery handle (before I even start bleeding on it!). In Altanta I had the opportunity to handle a number of swords. Some were heavier yet felt much better in one's hand due to the handle structure and better balance. I find handles much underestimated features on edged weapons in general. For instance, I love kukris, but the traditional handles worry me - they never feel as secure as the kraton handles on the Cold Steel variety (I love the LTC with its lighter broader blade and great edge geometry). I wonder if others feel the same. Mike Koblic, Campbell River, BC BTW I was staggered how many swords got sold in Atlanta. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Johnny Brown" To: Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:14:54 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] dvd production Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net My Co. Bone Head Productions encourage the documentation of all styles of martial arts or warcraft.I am currently producing and promoting Blaise Loong and his blend of combat training called Yashai Warcraft.I am very interested to see what others are doing, please contact me if you care to share or possibly want to document your styles or expressions.I am definately not trying to offend anyone with my sales gimmick(live blade demos), but only stating the way i was trained and what is contained on Blaise's Introductory dvd's.Bone Head productions once again strongly urge others to document there expressions in dvd format.If you are interested in seeing Blaise utilize his skill with live weapons, check us out.If you have any criticisms please contact me, but keep it constructive.I am not interseted in any disrepectful or offensive comments, for I am not trying to offend anyone, but simply trying to document our many systems.Once again I strongly urge others to document there systems of combat.I am truly interested in how others train and accept all samples of documentation. www.boneheadllc.com JOHN BROWNGet more from the Web. 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Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net He probably learned them from the same place he learned "Apache Warfare (or something like that)" about 10 years ago. -Steve Kohn >From: Afern27@aol.com >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [Eskrima] Viking Martial Arts? >Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 15:21:25 EST > >I'd be interested in hearing more about where Blaise Loong learned >authentic >Viking fighting arts in this day and age. >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 1800 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _________________________________________________________________ Get fast, reliable access with MSN 9 Dial-up. Click here for Special Offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "steve kohn" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 02:37:41 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Live Steel Training Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all, Were all adults here and I think we all know that live blades are dangerous. Train however you see fit and try to be safe doing it. Best, Steve Kohn >From: Ray Terry >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Live Steel! >Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 08:15:46 -0800 (PST) > > > I just have to comment on this one. We have gotten a few e-mails, God >knows > > why, from people that are all upset that we say we train with live >steel... > >I'd be fairly surprised to find that there are FMA groups that did NOT >train with live steel. At least once in a while... > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 1800 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _________________________________________________________________ Take off on a romantic weekend or a family adventure to these great U.S. locations. http://special.msn.com/local/hotdestinations.armx --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "David Eke" To: Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 13:09:18 +1000 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Silat Sabungin?? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Richard Bustillo told me that during the '89? WEKAF tourney, he met guys >who sparred in the Phillipines exposing only an inch of blade and going to >the first bad cut. I've seen this too, however, this was not my point. My curiosity was aroused by the incorrect spelling/syntax of the word Sabungin (the dictionary spelling is Sabongan/Sabungan) and unusual word combination with Silat. My speculation on the title is simple. It's not a specific style indigenous to the PI. Someone has tried to use the Filipino language to hype up a compilation of knowledge to try to sell a product. Would anyone care? Probably not, as long as they are not trying to pass it off as a legitimate indigenous FMA. >I'd be interested in hearing more about where Blaise Loong learned >authentic Viking fighting arts in this day and age. Same place where he learned traditional Filipino fighting arts :-) --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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