Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 03:01:51 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #85 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Dos Manos/Flexible weapons (Troy-nhbViking@cox.net) 2. RE: Dos Manos/Flexible weapons (Mike Casto) 3. Dos Manos/Flexible weapons (steve kohn) 4. Estacada (Stephen Lamade) 5. RE: (David Eke) 6. Ray, Atienza clip (Michael Massie) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Troy-nhbViking@cox.net" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Dos Manos/Flexible weapons Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 11:07:07 -0800 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey Trent- There is some flexible weapon (rock in sock) on the clip in the Steven L/Atienza thread a couple of posts up, check their site for video. There is a Dos Labahas disk here http://home1.gte.net/res0sv42/DVDS2.html cya ----- Original Message ----- From: "R. Trent Codd, III, MA, LPC" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 10:37 AM Subject: [Eskrima] Dos Manos/Flexible weapons > Can anyone recommend good dos manos and flexible weapons videos? > > Thanks. > > Trent --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Dos Manos/Flexible weapons Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 14:21:58 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net My instructor has a flexible weapons video available at http://asianfightingarts.com/catalog Mike -----Original Message----- From: R. Trent Codd, III, MA, LPC [mailto:rtcodd@behaviortherapist.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 1:38 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Dos Manos/Flexible weapons Can anyone recommend good dos manos and flexible weapons videos? Thanks. Trent _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 1800 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "steve kohn" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 20:07:19 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Dos Manos/Flexible weapons Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Check out the Mastering The Bullwhip series by Anthony Delongis. Its available through Ron Balicki's Pointman Productions. Best, Steve Kohn >From: "Troy-nhbViking@cox.net" >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Dos Manos/Flexible weapons >Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 11:07:07 -0800 > >Hey Trent- >There is some flexible weapon (rock in sock) on the clip in the Steven >L/Atienza thread a couple of posts up, check their site for video. >There is a Dos Labahas disk here http://home1.gte.net/res0sv42/DVDS2.html >cya > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "R. Trent Codd, III, MA, LPC" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 10:37 AM >Subject: [Eskrima] Dos Manos/Flexible weapons > > > > Can anyone recommend good dos manos and flexible weapons videos? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Trent >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 1800 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Stephen Lamade" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 21:48:58 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Estacada Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Gat Puno Baet: "Estacada" is not the same art as "Estocada." I would be interested in hearing more about "estocada" - both as a martial art and, if possible, as a concept within Filipino martial arts (as I believe it may be). A recent post on the ED made the following point: "In truth, anyone who has been around the FMA for a considerable period of time (or who has studied any Asian martial art in depth for that matter) should know that there are at any given time myriad variations on the spelling of foreign terms in our language, even between the written works of the so-called experts in the respective arts those terms are used in. As an example, consider the simple fact that we now refer to the arts of the Philippine archipelago as the "FMA" to avoid confusion over the usage of "arnis/kali/escrima/eskrima"." My Cassell's English/Spanish dictionary defines "estacada" as follows: estacada, n.f. palisade, stocade; paling, fence-work; pile-pier; place for a duel; (prov.) new plantation for olives; "dejar a uno en la estacada", to leave someone in a lurch; "quedar(se) en la estacada," to be vanquished, lose; to fail in an undertaking A propos the above: Given that "estokada" and "estoque" are names for Filipino martial arts, it may be possible that Bill's use of "estacada" was intentionally selected as a variant term to define his person expression of the martial arts. I have heard Bill describe his art as "aggressive counter-fighting," which embraces some of the connotations contained in the definition of "estacada." Best, Steve Lamade _________________________________________________________________ Fast. Reliable. Get MSN 9 Dial-up - 3 months for the price of 1! (Limited-time Offer) http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "David Eke" To: Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 08:09:02 +1000 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "If I were to use this same logic in my own assessment of Mr. Eke's statements, I could discount his comments completely based on nothing more than his improper use of sentence syntax... but I would prefer to raise the bar on this discussion rather than lower it as he has done with this base comment." Spelling is completely different than syntax. Any primary school age Filipino either speaking Visayan or Tagalog will be able to give you the correct spelling. "In truth, anyone who has been around the FMA for a considerable period of time (or who has studied any Asian martial art in depth for that matter) should know that there are at any given time myriad variations on the spelling of foreign terms in our language...." The variations in the word Eskrima/escrima/esgrima are well noted. Any of these spellings would be fine. Using the word "sabungin" is different. You will not find this variation in a Tagalog or Visayan Dictonary "I would suggest that you take the time to attend one of his seminars instead of lobbing potshots at someone you have never met from behind the absolute and guaranteed safety of your keyboard and monitor." Another wonderful example of "the pot calling the kettle black" :-) "Michael D. Massie MD Marketing, LLC E-mail massie@small-dojo-big-profits.com Web www.small-dojo-big-profits.com" I am interested in whether you have some type of vested interest here, or are just protecting a friend. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Michael Massie" To: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 20:05:33 -0600 Subject: [Eskrima] Ray, Atienza clip Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ray - will do per your request on the Blaise topic. BTW, glad to know the folks on this list aren't just your typical MA automatons. As for the Atienza special weapons clip - nice stuff. The sock sap segment was pretty interesting. Don't know who the young lady was on the clip, but she showed some good footwork and zoning on the "bum rush" drill. Thanks for posting the links, Steve. Ubi dubium ibi libertas! Michael D. Massie MD Marketing, LLC E-mail massie@small-dojo-big-profits.com Web www.small-dojo-big-profits.com ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ "It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." President Theodore Roosevelt "Citizenship in a Republic," Speech at the Sorbonne, Paris, April 23, 1910 --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest