Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 19:10:48 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #89 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Rutano ESTOKADA Kali (RJ Sison) 2. Re: knife grappling (Todd Ellner) 3. Re: flow (Todd Ellner) 4. Re: expanding horizons (Kes41355@aol.com) 5. RE: Knife Grapple (Young Forest) 6. San Miguel Eskrima Seminar: Sacramento, CA - March 27, 2004 (bhubbard@cogentmethod.com) 7. Re: Re: flow (steven ledwith) 8. Flow drills... (steven ledwith) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "RJ Sison" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 03:18:43 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Rutano ESTOKADA Kali Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I've been training in Rutano Estokada Kali for about 5years now, in my opinion, it teaches FMA and for that matter martial arts as whole on a different level. The system is not based on memorizing techniques or "moves"/forms but rather on concepts. It teaches you concepts and from there you can expand it to whatever you want, depending on what you want to do, may it be in weapons, empty hand(punching/kicking) and grappling. My instructor always tell us the analogy of him giving us a piece of wood and from that piece we can make anything, a table, a chair, a house or whatever it is we want to make.There are no patterns or templates, efficiency is emphasized, in grappling for example, postions are there (guard, mount, side mount, etc.) but it is not important to get to those postions to get a lock or submission. With this, my instructor also tells us that "..the only limitation is you.." meaning that the application of Rutano Estokada is limitless, it is only the pratitioners mind that can cease the discovering of "new" things... To learn more about Rutano Estokada Kali check out--- http://members.shaw.ca/estokada/estokada.html Gumagalang, Robert Sison _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 07:14:04 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: "Todd Ellner" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Re: knife grappling Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net My harimau and grappling don't suck. If they sucked they'd be good for something :-) Indonesians aren't any smarter or dumber than Japanese and Brazilians. Several of their martial arts systems include ground work against another person on the ground. It looks and feels a lot different than BJJ, Sombo or the other modern submission wrestling systems. From what little I have seen and done it isn't optimized for a lot of the things the mixed martial arts crowd specializes in. A lot of this is because of the added assumption that there will be at least one knife at the party. It changes the things you do and the positions you are trying for as well as what you do once you get there. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 07:19:15 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: "Todd Ellner" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Re: flow Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Back when I did more FMA and less Silat there was a lot of emphasis on flow drills. They are very useful and build good attributes. But they are only one set of drills, and it's a mistake to get too attached to any particular training exercise or to lose sight of your real goal. All drills have their limitations. In the case of most two person FMA flow drills I've done it's that that they prolong the fight. Don't get me wrong. I understand why they are done the way they are. You want students to keep going and be able to deal with a constantly changing situation. But there is a point where a teacher needs to drill them on taking control and stopping the action. Flow is important. It's only one part of the equation. If you overemphasize it you will be unbalanced. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Kes41355@aol.com Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:11:08 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: expanding horizons Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 3/5/04 9:45:41 AM US Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > I believe that overall most of us who study this > warrior path do not limit our study to only FMA or SEAMA. We should > therefore adapt or fashion what we know to counter what we see coming on the > > event horizons. Very true...many times I'll do something, some type of counter move, or an aggressive, attacking thing, and someone will ask, "What art is that from?" I'll just answer, "I don't know, I just did it." After many years rooted in a system, we grow beyond the system, and it becomes us. Something Mike Inay used to say, when asked about cross-training..."invest the time to make your own art strong first"; this something I live by with my art. Cross training isn't much benefit without a strong foundation first. Without the root, you just end up with a mish-mash that will not stand up to pressure when tested. Kim Satterfield --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Young Forest" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 15:29:30 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Knife Grapple Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Pat Davies wrote: >Sticking a 1" kerembit in the thigh while stuck under a mount works for >me. Especially when you are playing and they don't know you have it on >you! Last summer, sparring with a student and he gets me in a standing guillotine. He's busy trying to sink it in, I'm busy trying to stymie it, and my hand hits the tac folder in his pocket. Blip! I pull the knife (but don't open it), he feels the removal of weight from his pocket, realizes just what has happened and lets go with a yell. Integrating knife work and grappling is a useful skill - drawing the knife under pressure being just one part of it. Badger Siling Labuyo Arnis _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 12:45:58 -0800 From: bhubbard@cogentmethod.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] San Miguel Eskrima Seminar: Sacramento, CA - March 27, 2004 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net WORKSHOP ON THE RARE ART OF GM FILEMON "MOMOY" CANETE'S "SAN MIGUEL ESKRIMA" The San Miguel Style of Doce Pares Eskrima is a Filipino Martial Art developed by Grandmaster Filemon "Momoy" Cañete of Cebu, Philippines. This no nonsense combat system employs the use of the 28'-32' rattan stick. For the first time in Northern California, Masters Ramon Rubia and Eva Cañete Rubia will conduct a seminar on the basic principles of this rare system of Doce Pares. Topics will include single stick, double stick, stick and dagger, and empty hands applications in their relationship to footwork, locking, disarming, and combative tactics. A brief history of the Filipino Martial Arts (Eskrima, Arnis, and Kali) of the Central Philippines will also be covered. All skill levels including beginners are encouraged to attend. Attire should be comfortable and athletic. A Single stick and blunt training dagger are required for the seminar. You may bring your own or you may purchase them at the event. Still photography is allowed, but no video please. Register Online at: http://www.crpd.com/Activity%20Guide/MartialArts.html#Eskrima Location: Hagan Community Center 2197 Chase Drive Rancho Cordova, CA 95670 Date: Saturday March 27, 2004 Time: 10am - 2:30pm Cost: $50 Equipment: Single Rattan Stick Single Blunt Training Dagger (You may bring your own or you may purchase them at the event) Contact: Bart Hubbard (916)863-5278 or (916)390-6491 seminar@capitaldocepares.com For more information visit: http://www.capitaldocepares.com Flyer available at: http://www.capitaldocepares.com/flyer/flyer.htm --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 14:19:19 -0800 (PST) From: steven ledwith Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: flow To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Try this for fun, gear up with a helmet and gloves and practice your flow drills at full speed and full power. --- Todd Ellner wrote: > Back when I did more FMA and less Silat there was a > lot of emphasis on flow > drills. They are very useful and build good > attributes. But they are only > one set of drills, and it's a mistake to get too > attached to any particular > training exercise or to lose sight of your real > goal. > > All drills have their limitations. In the case of > most two person FMA flow > drills I've done it's that that they prolong the > fight. Don't get me wrong. > I understand why they are done the way they are. You > want students to keep > going and be able to deal with a constantly changing > situation. But there is > a point where a teacher needs to drill them on > taking control and stopping > the action. > > Flow is important. It's only one part of the > equation. If you overemphasize it > you will be unbalanced. > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1800 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 14:27:58 -0800 (PST) From: steven ledwith To: Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Flow drills... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net How many of us on this list experiment with the drills? I have seen clips of well known instructors doing flows at full speed but with no footwork. We put on the gear and go full speed and power with the drills and our flow goes to hell because were running around the room ;0 But when I think about it there has got to be different ways to drill than just standing ther 1-2-3-,1-2-3-etc... How about drilling while moving up and down stairs or other types of terrain? Or how about with distractions? Any Ideas? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest