Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 03:01:54 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #130 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Complete Art vs Complete System (steve kohn) 2. Re: Sword incident in England (Marc Macyoung) 3. Paete Beloved Town (GatPuno@aol.com) 4. Sword incident in England (Argyll) 5. Re: Lock-blade Knives. (ulfhead@integrity.com) 6. Balintawak master Bob Tabimina (Leo Salinel) 7. RE: Re: Lock-blade Knives. (Mike Casto) 8. Re: Re: Lock-blade Knives. (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "steve kohn" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 02:01:05 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Complete Art vs Complete System Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Gat Puno Baet, Thank you for responding and lending some clarity to the subject. If Al Sardinas explained things in the manner that you do, there would be less arguing and more learning. You clearly have nothing to prove. Respectfully, Steve Kohn >From: GatPuno@aol.com >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [Eskrima] Complete Art vs Complete System? >Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 05:58:49 EST > >Hello Everyone, > >I cannot hold myself not to post one last time to clarifies thing up on the >topic of the "Complete arts" vs. Complete System. The question has been raised >and the answer has been given over and over, but seems the disagreement still >there. Somewhere both side is not seeing the points of each other side. Well, >let me see, if I can help to answer the missing link to find agreement to this >topics. > >I agree to all of the practitioner that raised the point that no arts is >complete art, if we are talking the progression of the one practitioner of the >art. But if we are talking an art itself, I think is pretty much the art is >complete art, only the practitioner cannot complete the art, like you said, need a >lifetime to complete the arts, meaning there is a complete art you need to >spend your whole life to find it. > >Now, let's go back, I am on the side that there is nobody, not even my >father, my grandfather, not even Bruce Lee or your grandmaster has the answer to all >of the questioned we have in this world. You said it, that we need to find >the answer to ourselves. Like Mike Casto said, if he need to find something to >learn from a particular art he goes to specialist of that particular art, which >I agree personally. > >Dr. Carltons, Steve Kohn, and Al I believed that both of you are talking two >different fruits. One is talking Apple and the other one is oranges. There >both fruit but each one of them has different taste and different texture, and >form.  If understand Dr. Carltons and other is talking a particular art that no >one can complete the arts, which is easy to agree. I am the first one to give >you the thumbs up to his post, and Mike raised a good point too to the topic. > >Meanwhile Al is talking the school whom offer a variety of choices of arts >(i.e., art of single stick, double stick, long pole, knife, empty hand arts >form, not limited to punching, kicking, standing and ground control, bone >breaking, trapping, natural healing, etc.) A system that not particularly offered only >stick art, knife art, kicking art, boxing art, wrestling/grappling art that >for Al's it is a complete system or one stop school. School that specialized on >each particular art theory and practices. > >Complete art is impossible to attained completely, but the complete system is >easy to find understand the theory and practices. You may agree or disagree >but that what Al's is to believed that he found the Complete system of fighting >arts. He's has been a MA crazed of all styles even FMA but he never found the >complete system that offer almost all. I understand to some people has a >problem of practicing multiple art, but to be well rounded fighter, you need to >learn all aspect of fighting. A lot people say to defeat the Grappler, don't >fight them in grappling, and to defeat stickfighter, don't fight them to stick >fight, etc. But my instructors has taught us to defend yourself from the >Grappler you should know there games, to defeat a stickfighter is to learn his games, >then find the weak side and use it against him/her. Well, I hope I clear the >disagreement because both of you are talking different topic. > >Complete art vs. Complete system > >Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet >Laguna Arnis Federation International >World Harimaw Buno Federation >Hilot Research Center USA > > >But hey if your system is don't have this particular art, I agree to seek one >to other system or specialist. Cross training is not bad at all, impact is >the best way to go if you will learn MA to used it in any weather. >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list,  1800 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out MSN PC Safety & Security to help ensure your PC is protected and safe. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Marc Macyoung" To: Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 20:09:44 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Sword incident in England Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Can anyone supply a URL to an news article regarding this story? > ; ) http://www.thisislancashire.co.uk/cgi-bin/htsearch Will give you three stories from the Bolton Evening News. You probably should check it pretty fast as newspaper links tend to disappear rather quickly M --__--__-- Message: 3 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 22:19:31 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Paete Beloved Town Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > ttp://www.paete.org/abtpaete/ > > Isn't Paete a very small town? > > > <><><><> > George George, Yes my town is a very small town, that why every body knows everybody. You touch one Paetenos, and you are totally stranger, you are not going home alive. I invite everyone to visit Paete, and asked to them who are the Family of Baet specially the Garaymot Family in regards of FMA or Eskrima. My Uncle is still very much alive, he is in his 60's I have 4 more brothers and 4 sisters living there. I f anyone want to learn specially the Largo mano that we have is most different that any Largo style you will see. Paete, town is like the Cebu in Luzon, we have the the Patron the same as Cebu has the Kinabayo Festival. The man in the white horse holding a big swords (Saint James the Warrior or known as Saint Jacques), we have Sto Nino, like Cebu has that they celebrate every last Sunday of January. Cebu has a lot of well known Eskrimador, Paete has too but not as world re-known like the Cebu, but we have 100's of 100's member of Arnis Association. The oldes association of Arnis still exist is the Paete Arnis Club founded on March of 1920 after the American, forbid the continual celebration of "Esgrima" or Fencing Tournament every town Fiesta which is exist since 1700's in our town. Stickfighting replaced the "esgrima" tourney to our town ever since with the exception of W War II 1941-1945, Arnis Tourney re-estblished on 1950 up to the present time. The group of Arnis in Paete is estblished 12 years earlier than Cebu Doce Pares Group (founded 1932). I am not linked any thing Paete from Cebu or Cebu to Paete. Its just weared co -incident that has a lot in common. Well is just co incidence. Visit our Website of the Paetenians International and you will find my website link in too and some picture of me and my Ice Carving. Paete Ang Bayang Masining (Paete The Artistic Town) I am proud to be Paetenians. Paete also has a lot to offer to the visitor, we have the largest Woodcarving factory in the Philippines, Paper Mache maker is there too, we still have Rice fields, Laguna de Bay the biggest sweet water in Asia, We have the Green Sierra Mandre Mounteain, which the Mout Banahaw lay Southeast from my town. We have one of the oldes Stone Church in the Philippines was build on the early 1600,s the Sainth James Catholic Church. We have beautiful Waterfalls, cousin of the famous Pagsanjan Falls, experience to shoot the Rapids in Laguna. Paete also has alot of Memory of Dr. Jose Rizal, His true love and first Girlfriend is born in our small town known as Maria Clara. Paciano Rizal and Jose Rizal, study Arnis particularly the Doce Pares of Laguna in Mount Banahaw. That my beloved town Paete, small but terrible, people are friendly visitor is treat with warm welcome. Put it to your destination next time you are in Manila, Paete Tours. Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International World Hrimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Argyll" To: Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:33:59 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Sword incident in England Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >"randy at SPiNInternetMedia.com" randomx2000@yahoo.com >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Sword incident in England >Can anyone supply a URL to a news article regarding this story? Here you go: http://www.thisislancashire.co.uk/lancashire/archive/2004/03/25/NEWS8ZM. html Best regards, Jake --__--__-- Message: 5 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 22:00:17 -0600 (CST) From: ulfhead@integrity.com Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Lock-blade Knives. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Since one of the latest topics here was on knife drawing drills I have a question. Can anyone suggest some of the better lock blades out there? I have always been wary of lock blades, as most do not have a guard and I am worried about the lock failing. I am also always worried about my hand slipping on these knives. Thus, I am a big fan of fixed blades with good guards. But lock blades are just so compact and conveinient... and with today's technology I am curious if there aren't any lock-blade knives that have great grips. Thanks in advanced for any help. - Tyrkon - --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 20:29:26 -0800 (PST) From: Leo Salinel To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Balintawak master Bob Tabimina Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi guys, Is any of the Balintawak people here familiar with Balintawak master Bob Tabimina, the last student of the late GM Venancio Bacon in the late 1970s? He studied with Atty. Villasin, Tatay Velez, Timor Maranga, and Anciong Bacon. I've met the guy, and he's really nice with a warm, confident smile. Very accomodating too. ===== Earn $$ just by receiving and reading email! http://www.resource-a-day.net/member/index.cgi?Brandon96 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: Lock-blade Knives. Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 00:01:12 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Good liner locks are pretty reliable - I've seen some crap liner locks but usually they're pretty good. The lock on Spyderco's Gunting is very good - according to reviews I read, it was about the best thing on the market when it came out. But I think there's been at least one that's proven better since. Personally, I think the Gunting is the best designed folder I've ever seen from a self-defense POV. But, as was recently pointed out [I think it was on this list], I wear sweatpants most of the time and I haven't found comfortable way to carry it on sweatpants. But I think the design concept is excellent. With the horn on the back, it gives you a great stop to prevent slipping onto the blade when thrusting. And the design of the handle helps prevent it, too. But there are a lot of good folders out there that aren't likely to fold on you. I'm sure other people will have plenty of suggestions. Mike -----Original Message----- From: ulfhead@integrity.com [mailto:ulfhead@integrity.com] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 11:00 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Lock-blade Knives. Since one of the latest topics here was on knife drawing drills I have a question. Can anyone suggest some of the better lock blades out there? I have always been wary of lock blades, as most do not have a guard and I am worried about the lock failing. I am also always worried about my hand slipping on these knives. Thus, I am a big fan of fixed blades with good guards. But lock blades are just so compact and conveinient... and with today's technology I am curious if there aren't any lock-blade knives that have great grips. Thanks in advanced for any help. - Tyrkon - _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 1800 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Lock-blade Knives. To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 20:42:32 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Since one of the latest topics here was on knife drawing drills I have a > question. Can anyone suggest some of the better lock blades out there? I have > always been wary of lock blades, as most do not have a guard and I am worried > about the lock failing. I am also always worried about my hand slipping on > these knives. Thus, I am a big fan of fixed blades with good guards. But lock > blades are just so compact and conveinient... and with today's technology I am > curious if there aren't any lock-blade knives that have great grips. One interesting liner lock w/additional safety lock (LAWKS) is the CRKT Ryan Model Seven. http://www.crkt.com/ryansevn.html The one I have carried from the above URL is #6813. Good size and heft, ambi opening, decent price, deep finger groove, secure lock. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest