Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 21:58:04 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #139 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA list at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. 2 day self defence (julian.gilmour@barclays.co.uk) 2. Re: Student Retention (Fred O) 3. Re: Re: Student Retention (Jared Dame) 4. Re: 2 day self defence (Jared Dame) 5. Attracting Female Students (Pugil) 6. red suit training (jason couture) 7. Re: Seminar on teaching women, childern and the elderly? (Johnaleen) 8. Re: red suit training (Ray Terry) 9. My teacher's passing (Felipe Jocano) 10. Re: My teacher's passing (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: julian.gilmour@barclays.co.uk To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:09:54 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] 2 day self defence Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello all On the subject of self defence capability in 2 days, we haven't yet mentioned Defendu/Defendo (sp?). For those who are unfamiliar, I believe it is a system that was designed to teach to British soldiers self-defence in around 2 days. People more knowledgeable than me on this subject, please forgive any mistakes/inconsistencies. It was originated by someone called William Fairbairn in the 20s. He was in the British Military Police, based in Shanghai. He was called to bar room brawl scenarios between locals and British troops and others. He had already studied Judo, Ju jitsu and Karate and honed his skills in what must have been a very testing environment involving empty hand, bottles, knives, all the way up to pitched gun battles. >From what he learnt he tried to develop a system that was as effective as possible in many scenarios while still teachable in a very short length of time to people of all levels of experience. Someone called Bill Underwood also had something to do with its development, maybe as student of his? I believe that certain JKD people in England (eg Clive Elliot I believe - correct me if I'm wrong) may have taken a great interest in it. Discuss! Peace and respect to all on the list Julian Internet communications are not secure and therefore the Barclays Group does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. Although the Barclays Group operates anti-virus programmes, it does not accept responsibility for any damage whatsoever that is caused by viruses being passed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Barclays Group. Replies to this email may be monitored by the Barclays Group for operational or business reasons. Barclays Bank PLC. Authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Fred O" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 16:13:51 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Student Retention Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Kim, Here is a idea for you. Now this may offend some but please don't take it that way. A majority of women (not all) are uncomfortable with contact like sparring and grappling with people they don't know. Those same women are also intimidated by sparring a person of greater ability too soon. So my suggestion to you is add a class to your schedule, two time a week, with no contact and focus on fitness, mechanic's, positions and fundimentals. Make it only a two month stint for your students, after two months they go into the regular classes. These types of classes are proven (yes by mcdojo's) to increase retention. It does a couple of things for your students, 1 is a developes a knowing relationship between them and you, 2 it builds a comradery between students so they don't feel alone when they enter into the regular class where there is contact, 3 the class developes a minset into the student to where they are comfortable and trust the school members, even ones they don't know, 4 it gives you time to evaluate students and see if they might drop so you can stop them from moving on by over coming thier fears or concerns, 5 it gives them the basic skills for the up coming class so they aren't self concious, feeling that they are the worst of the bunch or are holding up the class. This type of class is a good tool to use for all schools that are interested in making money or retaining students. I call these types of classes "Fundemental Training Class" before they go into phase one training. It just a idea for you. Message: 2 From: "Kimberley Hobbs" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 08:00:31 -0330 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: student retention Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net    I've tried mixed classes and all female classes and I still have a problem retaining female students. The classes start out strong but fizzle over time. Our club is JKD/FMA so there is lots of variety but for some reason women don't stay any longer than a month or so. Maybe the classes are too intense or there is too much contact. When I started training six years ago there were three female students including myself. Are there any suggestions for attracting and keeping female students? Kim Hobbs                                                                                                             Diversified Combat Systems                                                                                      St.John's, Newfoundland, Canada Fred C. O'Keefe The cowards never started - and the weak died along the way Seven days without exercise makes one Weak.   ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Find a broadband plan that fits. Great local deals on high-speed Internet access. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Jared Dame Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Student Retention Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:48:01 -0800 To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I agree with this approach. What I have found also is that once the female students get in the comfort zone they become (not in all cases) more aggressive than the male students. In our school the lead time for female student to feel fully comfortable in the class is about three months, after that point most enjoy three of the four ranges of combat. (Grappling always takes a little longer for people, male or female.) On Apr 1, 2004, at 8:13 AM, Fred O wrote: > Kim, > > Here is a idea for you. Now this may offend some but please don't take > it > that way. A majority of women (not all) are uncomfortable with contact > like sparring and grappling with people they don't know. Those same > women > are also intimidated by sparring a person of greater ability too soon. > So > my suggestion to you is add a class to your schedule, two time a week, > with no contact and focus on fitness, mechanic's, positions and > fundimentals. Make it only a two month stint for your students, after > two > months they go into the regular classes. These types of classes are > proven (yes by mcdojo's) to increase retention. It does a couple of > things for your students, 1 is a developes a knowing relationship > between > them and you, 2 it builds a comradery between students so they don't > feel > alone when they enter into the regular class where there is contact, 3 > the class developes a minset into the student to where they are > comfortable and trust the school members, even ones they don't know, 4 > it > gives you time to evaluate students and see if they might drop so you > can > stop them from moving on by over coming thier fears or concerns, 5 it > gives them the basic skills for the up coming class so they aren't self > concious, feeling that they are the worst of the bunch or are holding > up > the class. This type of class is a good tool to use for all schools > that > are interested in making money or retaining students. I call these > types > of classes "Fundemental Training Class" before they go into phase one > training. It just a idea for you. > > Message: 2 > From: "Kimberley Hobbs" > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 08:00:31 -0330 > Subject: [Eskrima] RE: student retention > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > I've tried mixed classes and all female classes and I still have a > problem retaining female students. The classes start out strong but > fizzle over time. Our club is JKD/FMA so there is lots of variety but > for > some reason women don't stay any longer than a month or so. Maybe the > classes are too intense or there is too much contact. When I started > training six years ago there were three female students including > myself. > Are there any suggestions for attracting and keeping female students? > > Kim > Hobbs > Diversified Combat > Systems > St.John's, Newfoundland, Canada > > Fred C. O'Keefe > The cowards never started - and the weak died along the way > > Seven days without exercise makes one Weak. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > Find a broadband plan that fits. Great local deals on high-speed > Internet > access. > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1800 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Jared Dame Subject: Re: [Eskrima] 2 day self defence Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:51:27 -0800 To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Only thing that I would have to say regarding a two day course is that you would really only be able to use that as a marketing strategy for getting more students to join, while certain aspects could be taught in a couple day training course the real push would have an end result of people waking up in the morning yearning for more. I have been to seminars that you participate in multiple drills, sparring sessions, and techniques and every break you quickly use the time to write down notes on everything that was just gone over and later practice the drills and more importantly the concepts that were taught. If you are able to video the experience it is even better, currently we have about 5 digitized videos explaining techniques and showing seminar sessions in slow motion details. (Video is by far the best method of honing your techniques next to the actually exchanging of energies with a good sparring partner.) ciao at 5:09 AM, wrote: > Hello all > > On the subject of self defence capability in 2 days, we haven't yet > mentioned Defendu/Defendo (sp?). For those who are unfamiliar, I > believe it > is a system that was designed to teach to British soldiers > self-defence in > around 2 days. > > People more knowledgeable than me on this subject, please forgive any > mistakes/inconsistencies. > > It was originated by someone called William Fairbairn in the 20s. He > was in > the British Military Police, based in Shanghai. He was called to bar > room > brawl scenarios between locals and British troops and others. He had > already > studied Judo, Ju jitsu and Karate and honed his skills in what must > have > been a very testing environment involving empty hand, bottles, knives, > all > the way up to pitched gun battles. > > From what he learnt he tried to develop a system that was as effective > as > possible in many scenarios while still teachable in a very short > length of > time to people of all levels of experience. > > Someone called Bill Underwood also had something to do with its > development, > maybe as student of his? > > I believe that certain JKD people in England (eg Clive Elliot I > believe - > correct me if I'm wrong) may have taken a great interest in it. > > Discuss! > > Peace and respect to all on the list > > Julian > > > Internet communications are not secure and therefore the Barclays Group > does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. > Although the Barclays Group operates anti-virus programmes, it does not > accept responsibility for any damage whatsoever that is caused by > viruses being passed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those > of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Barclays > Group. Replies to this email may be monitored by the Barclays Group > for operational or business reasons. > > Barclays Bank PLC. Authorised and regulated by the Financial Services > Authority. > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1800 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 19:25:18 +0100 From: Pugil To: Subject: [Eskrima] Attracting Female Students Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Kim Hobbs wrote: "I've tried mixed classes and all female classes and I still have a problem retaining female students. The classes start out strong but fizzle over time. Our club is JKD/FMA so there is lots of variety but for some reason women don't stay any longer than a month or so. Maybe the classes are too intense or there is too much contact. When I started training six years ago there were three female students including myself. Are there any suggestions for attracting and keeping female students?" A few years ago we also had difficulty attracting female students into our classes, despite having an excellent female instructor taking several of the sessions each week. At the time we had about eight females attending fairly regularly, although they didn't always show up on the same night. Most, if not all of them, attended the Savate kickboxing sessions, and 3 or 4 of them also did the Kali class. The problem we had was one of perception. On nights when only 2 or 3 females turned up, any potential new female student looking in on class could be forgiven for believing that classes were mainly aimed at men, and probably saw it as a macho environment. I realised that we had a chicken and egg situation. Firstly, you have to attract females into your 'showroom' in the first place. You can't expect to be able to sell something to someone who isn't there to begin with. If, when they arrive, they see only testosterone-charged males knocking the crap out of one another, and maybe a couple of token females up one corner, many will be put off straight away. So what I did was to ask all eight girls if they could do me a favour and to make sure to turn up for the following Wednesday Savate Kickboxing class as we wanted to promote our classes to more females. They were happy to oblige. I then contacted my local newspaper and told them that we had recently had a large influx of young women into our kickboxing classes. I mentioned that it was probably due to the likes of Mel C (Sporty Spice of the Spice Girls) and Ally McBeal supposedly doing kickboxing (yes, it was a few years ago!). The newspaper was immediately interested, and they sent a reporter and a photographer along the following week. When they arrived, I apologised that 'only eight girls had turned up'! I said that 'they must have got wind of you guys coming along and taking pictures'. The newspaper people said, "No problem, there are plenty of females for us to take some shots of". The newspaper picked a quiet night, did a double-page spread, and we have never looked back. Now when women come along to watch a class they see plenty of other women there and are happy to give it a go themselves. Once we have them in our kickboxing class they are 'in our showroom'. We are then in a position to encourage them to try out some of our other classes. Pugil --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:31:39 -0800 (PST) From: jason couture To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] red suit training Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello - I've had a few opportunities to train with the "red suit" through the military and I've found it to be OUTSTANDING training. You get to really unload on a person without much of the damage that would normally follow. The other side of that coin is......the "red suit" (guy) doesn't react like a normal person does when hit. All that padding stops the reality. It's great for target selection and power generation but, if the wrong person is in the suit, he or she might not (and I've seen it happen) develop the right kind of respect for the type of power being unleashed on them. Example: I was training with an ASP, I hit the "red suit" guy as hard as I could, first on the knee joints as a warning to BACK UP/GET DOWN!! He kept coming. Alright, I struck him down at the clavicle (WHACK!!!!!) he rushed me. I poked him in the face with a #11 strike (modern arnis), this surprised him enough to stagger but, again he rushed me. Etc, etc... I remember playing full contact with some of my friends and shots like those ended the round quick! It just always goes to show that there are always holes in what ever training your trying to do. If you put pads on, people might not respect the blows. If you go full contact without pads, people get tore up and don't come back to play again, ha,ha,ha,ha. ===== **JASON COUTURE** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Johnaleen" To: Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:49:58 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Seminar on teaching women, childern and the elderly? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Perhaps i should teach a seminar on how to teach programs to women, elderly, the handicapted and children? I am more then willing to do so with all the proceeds going to FATES non profit prevention programs. If i get a few responses here or in my private email, i will start arranging it, all i need is a central location and someone to host the seminar. Ms. J.... CEO FATE/Lifetime Student 888-526-4626 www.fate-organization.com > Kim Wrote: > I've tried mixed classes and all female classes and I still have a > problem retaining female students. The classes start out strong but > fizzle over time. Our club is JKD/FMA so there is lots of variety but for > some reason women don't stay any longer than a month or so. Maybe the > classes are too intense or there is too much contact. When I started > training six years ago there were three female students including myself. > Are there any suggestions for attracting and keeping female students? ************* --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] red suit training To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 15:14:13 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Hello - I've had a few opportunities to train with the > "red suit" through the military and I've found it to > be OUTSTANDING training. You get to really unload on > a person without much of the damage that would > normally follow. Agreed. I'm blessed with the opportunity to train LEOs on a fairly regular basis. They will frequently bring along the department's Red Suit for fun and games. It really allows the student to launch techniques WITH INTENT at a moving target without too much chance of hurting their partner. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 21:50:26 -0800 (PST) From: Felipe Jocano To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net, silatworld@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Eskrima] My teacher's passing Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net It is with great sadness that I announce the passing away of my teacher, Maestro Elmer Ybanez, of the Lightning Scientific Arnis International, and founder and creator of Lema Scientific Kali Arnis System (LESKAS). Maestro Ybanez passed away on Wednesday March 31, at 5:15 am, in Seattle, Washington. Maestro Ybanez was one of the most valued and best students of GM Benjamin Luna Lema, founder of the Lightning Scientific Arnis International (LSAI). In the 1990s, he began formulating the basic elements of what would later on become LESKAS, his expression of Mang Ben's style of arnis. Maestro Elmer has gone on to a far better life than we have here in this world. Though he is gone from us, we strive to keep alive his memory, remembering him as a superb practitioner, a fantastic teacher, and most of all a wonderful human being who in many ways embodied many of the characteristics we his students wish we all had. Plans are being made to bring his body home to the Philippines after a memorial service in Seattle. With much sorrow, Bot __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] My teacher's passing To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 22:38:50 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > It is with great sadness that I announce the passing > away of my teacher, Maestro Elmer Ybanez, of the > Lightning Scientific Arnis International, and founder > and creator of Lema Scientific Kali Arnis System > (LESKAS). Maestro Ybanez passed away on Wednesday > March 31, at 5:15 am, in Seattle, Washington. So very sorry to hear this news... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest