Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 03:01:49 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #154 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: The elusive Greased Pig (Phil Hurcum) 2. Re: Placido Yambao ? (Felipe Jocano) 3. Upcoming DBMA seminars & DB Gathering Date (Marc Denny) 4. PS to Upcoming DBMA seminars (Marc Denny) 5. lanyards (jason couture) 6. Yawara stick (Ray Terry) 7. Re: lanyards for knives (Buz Grover) 8. RE: Visiting Oahu (Roan Grimm) 9. About Silat (Recursos Humanos) 10. Re: About Silat (Ray Terry) 11. Re: About Silat (Ray Terry) 12. Re: About Silat (Mike Casto) 13. hello (isagani abon) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:58:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Phil Hurcum To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: The elusive Greased Pig Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In response to Guro Craft's post. 1.perhaps the designation Kali/JKD was too broad a brush. Nonetheless the group I am refering to has a common lineage and that's where it came from. I am not going to name names because as you stated, Life is to short. I will apologise to those who fall under that sweeping classififcation who do not follow that theory(ies). 2. Transcript from either Laban Laro or into the Vortex by P.G. Sulite. I do not have access to my video tapes, they are packed for moving. I am relying on my notes for this so if the exact wording is not correct please excuse. I personally believe it to be very close as I am generally pretty thorough with my notes. Begin! "Hi I am PG Edgar Sulite. founder of Lameco Escrima Intl. Lameco means Largo, Medio, Corto. Or Long Range, Medium Range and Close range. It is a combination of the various styles which I have studied in the Phillipines from the different Grandmasters. ********BTW, don't be confused with Kali, Arnis or Escrima because it means the same. We have more than 87 languages in the country. In the Phillipines and the most popular language that we call in ourFilipino Martial Arts in mindinao is called Kali. In Visayas it is called Escrima. In uhhh, uhhh Luzon it is called Arnis but it means the same so don't be confused with it's name. Others call it Pagkalikali, others call it Pananandata. It depends on the provinces, the dialect that these people are using. Now this is like my name. I am Edgar Sulite. My middle name is (missed it), Edgar(xxxx)Sulite. So I have three names, in one personality, so it means the same. Kali, Arnis or Escrima. Other people will say " Oh I am practcing in Kali" and other people will say "I am only practicing Escrima." No don't be confusedabout it cause it all means the same. Now we will start with the basics....****** End of transcript. I further find it interesting that the Art in question is Lameco Escrima, yet throughout the tape PG, constantly uses the term Kali to indicate what he does and as reference to indicate subject. Finally, I think if an Art is in practice and changes because of a new set of stimuli, (ie. invaders) is this not an evolution, a progression. Would this not indicate growth, a more advanced system? Haven't we see this very phenomenon associated with the recent MMA explosion? Anyhoo, I welcome comment and direction from any and all. ===== Phil Hurcum .:Head Instructor:. Arkangel Martial Arts and Combat Sciences "Honour, Duty, Obligation, and Discipline" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 23:42:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Placido Yambao ? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Ray, I'll quote the relevant paragraphs from the actual text - there are copies in our University library. If its OK, I'll post them tomorrow or Thursday (Philippine time) - I'm checking my email from an internet cafe so I didn't bring the text with me. Regards, Bot --- Ray Terry wrote: > > Mind you, the above is just a short and rough > > translation/paraphrase of the original Tagalog > text... > > Anyway, it appears that kali used in this sense > simply > > refers to the martial art encountered by the > Spaniards > > at the time of their arrival. > > Thanks Bot, > > Any reference given regarding the sources consulted > in order to make > this statement? > > Just curious. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1800 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 04:24:03 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Upcoming DBMA seminars & DB Gathering Date Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: April 24-25 Pizco, Peru contact me at Craftydog@dogbrothers.com Some folks in the region (Peru, Bolivia, Chile) got wind that I was going to be visiting my mom down there and have put together a small group. May 8 - 9, 2004 Dog Brothers Martial Arts Seminar featuring Guro Marc "Crafty Dog" Denny Location: Italy Ast (this is west of Milan) on Saturday Milan on Sunday For Info Contact: Real Fighting Association - Filippo Leone, Italy Phone: 39 339 2039 925 Email: leojkd@realfighting.it Website: http://www.realfighting.it May 15 - 16, 2004 Dog Brothers Martial Arts Seminar Featuring Guro Marc "Crafty Dog" Denny Location: Bern, Switzerland Contact: Benjamin "Lonely Dog" Rittiner Phone: 41-31-922-38-93 Email: lonelydog@bluewin.ch Website: www.dogbrothers.ch ========== May 23, 2004 Guro Marc "Crafty Dog" Denny Hosted by: Lester "Surf Dog" Griffin: 114 E. Florida Hemet, CA 92545 phone# 909-766-0702 ============ Sunday June 27, 2004 Dog Brothers Summer Gathering Of The Pack Raw Gym, El Segundo, CA FIGHTERS MUST PRE-REGISTER! The form will be up soon on our website. Contact Cindy at info@dogbrothers.com for info. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 04:48:19 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] PS to Upcoming DBMA seminars Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof: PS: PS: The will NOT be a Dog Brothers Martial Arts Training Camp this year. Long story short, they were great fun but lost money. The format (three days of training with several instructors and then the Gathering) required a tremendous outlay of energy and cash on our part (advertising for the magazines, fees and air and hotel expenses for the instructors, fee for the location, etc etc etc) and on the part of those attending--most of whom had to miss 2-3 days of work to make it happen on top of the rather stiff fee. We will revisit this in the future, but for this summer we must pass. Woof, Crafty Dog --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 07:31:23 -0700 (PDT) From: jason couture To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] lanyards Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi - Nope. I wouldn't suggest a break-away lanyard either, 'cause that would defeat the whole purpose of a lanyard in the first place. I know what you mean about the civilian ID cards having it but, that was made for their protection. If you used the same device on a weapon, it would be pointless (the weapon would just fall and break-away from you like it was designed to do....pointless). Sorry but, I just don't like lanyards. Yes, they have a place in the field or on a fishing expo. but, that's it for me. Of course, this is all just my opinion. Take care! ===== **JASON COUTURE** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:06:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Yawara stick Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Interesting link to a 1948 manual on using the short Yawara stick. http://www.yawara.com/YawaraStick.html Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:20:03 -0400 From: Buz Grover Subject: Re: [Eskrima] lanyards for knives To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sam writes: > When I was in the Military, I carried my MK II on my LBE harness, and > kept the lanyard out of the way, but it did have a tendency to get > hung up. Though I may be mistaken, I think a couple types of lanyards are being spoken of here. I think Sam is speaking of "weapons retention" lanyards. You often see them on on MP pistols and sometimes on Special Ops jump harnesses. Blackhawk Industries makes one that looks pretty good, though I've never played with it. In a blade contexts I'd imagine a weapons retention lanyard would be all sorts in the way, though I haven't tried it so I don't know for sure. I'd also be concerned about disarms and other manipulations brought on by a retention lanyard: wouldn't be hard to control a weapon with a big honkin' piece of line hanging off it's butt. Think Ray is talking about lanyard loops that are sometimes put through the hole drilled through handle of many folding and fixed blade knives. I think these are also pretty much in the way too, with a couple of exceptions. Sometimes for inside the waistband carry I've tied a little lanyard fob that aids in accessing the blade. I've also noticed that a fair number of divers have loop lanyards on their knives, to aid retention in slick conditions, I imagine. In contexts where lanyards have proven helpful to me--x-country ski poles and ice axes--I note the piece of gear is not easily stowable, is in your hand throughout most of the activity for which it is used, and would be a drag to chase after as it skittered down the glacier. As such I think lanyards make sense in these circumstances. I think knives tend to be easily stowable, are often not used throughout a given activity, and if dropped are usually quickly recoverable, so I won't be using any type of lanyard on 'em. Regards, Buz Grover --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Roan Grimm" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Cc: egjundis@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 09:53:26 -1000 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Visiting Oahu Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Aloha Elrik, Glad to hear your going to be on Oahu in the near future. You are more than welcome to come work out with the fledgling "Hawaii Ohana" of the Dog Brothers headed up by Mike "Dogzilla" Tibbits. We meet every Saturday around noon at Paki park (near Waikiki) and are always happy to have new people show up for the fun and games. If that timing doesn't work for you, just let us know when you'll have some time and I'm sure we'd be able to try and set something up. Of course, there are many other FMA schools here on island. You can check out some of the others at , just scroll down to the "Filipino & Indonesian Schools" section. If you'd like to come check us out, or if you have any other questions etc. please feel free to write me at poidog@repairman.com or simply reply here in the digest. Just a note that this invitation is extended to any and all on this list if you're ever on our stretch of the beach...haha. A hui ho, Kalani Message: 1 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 21:59:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Mr Elrik Jundis To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Visiting Oahu, Hawaii Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi All, I will be in Hawaii during the first week of May and would like to spend sometime visiting the FMA community there. Any recomendations or invitations would be appreciated. Thanks, Elrik Jundis School of Pilipino Mastery Arts -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Recursos Humanos" To: "Eskrima" Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:33:43 -0400 Organization: VERACUBA Subject: [Eskrima] About Silat Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Everybody! This is my first mail to this mailing list and I would like to introduce myself first. I'm a cuban martial arts practitioner with more than 10 years of practice in Wing Tchun Kung Fu and Escrima, but I have always been atracted for the Indonesian Silat and Kuntao systems. Unfortunately in Cuba there isn't any silat instructor to learn with. That's why I wish to collect information about Silat Serak, I means about structure, training system, characteristics, any information will be welcome... I apologize for my little knowledge about Silat and I hope to increase it... Sincerely Juan Carlos EBMAS - CUBA Wing Tchun Este mensaje esta libre de virus. Revisado por Kaspersky Antivirus Engine version: 4.0.1.14 Engine date: 2002/06/25 Definition count: 86123 Definition date: 2004/04/13 Grupo de Redes CEDINFO, CUBANACAN. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] About Silat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > any silat instructor to learn with. That's why I wish to collect information > about Silat Serak, I means about structure, training system, characteristics, > any information will be welcome... Pak Vic is probably reading your post. But just in case check out his website at serak.com. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] About Silat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > This is my first mail to this mailing list and I would like to introduce > myself first. I'm a cuban martial arts practitioner with more than 10 years of > practice in Wing Tchun Kung Fu and Escrima, ... Juan, What styles of eskrima are active in Cuba? Just curious. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] About Silat Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 22:23:31 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I'd recommend going to http://www.pencaksilat.com and going to the "Tapes" section. Guru Stevan Plinck has a tape for sale out there on some of the basics of Silat Serak. It's an excellent video that offers a great intro to the system as he teaches it. You can also go to http://www.serak.com and you can find vids and other info there from Pak Vic de Thouars on Serak as he teaches. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Recursos Humanos" To: "Eskrima" Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 5:33 PM Subject: [Eskrima] About Silat > Hi Everybody! > > This is my first mail to this mailing list and I would like to introduce > myself first. I'm a cuban martial arts practitioner with more than 10 years of > practice in Wing Tchun Kung Fu and Escrima, but I have always been atracted > for the Indonesian Silat and Kuntao systems. Unfortunately in Cuba there isn't > any silat instructor to learn with. That's why I wish to collect information > about Silat Serak, I means about structure, training system, characteristics, > any information will be welcome... > > I apologize for my little knowledge about Silat and I hope to increase it... > > Sincerely > > Juan Carlos > EBMAS - CUBA > Wing Tchun > > > Este mensaje esta libre de virus. > Revisado por Kaspersky Antivirus > Engine version: 4.0.1.14 > Engine date: 2002/06/25 > Definition count: 86123 > Definition date: 2004/04/13 > > Grupo de Redes > CEDINFO, CUBANACAN. > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:57:48 -0700 (PDT) From: isagani abon To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] hello Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Fellow FMA practitioners, I just want to join this digest and hope to be friends with a lot of FMA practitioner. I lived here in manila, I practiced and teached Rapido Realismo Martial Arts here in Luneta, Rizal Park, Manila fronting Department of tourism and Lapu Lapu statue every sunday 2 pm with my Master, Punong Guro Henry Espera. I made our websites and hope you visit it and please sign the guestbook and let us know how do you feel about the site. it will be our pleasure to know that we have our FMA comrades supporting the FMA. http://www.angelfire.com/art2/rapidorealismo/index.html Please promote and support the FMA and lets build and teach the community a good art of self defense. Good luck to all of us. Guro Isagani Abon --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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