Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 19:50:06 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #160 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Placido Yambao's take on "kali" (Felipe Jocano) 2. Re: Inikte (Scott Kinney) 3. Body slaps in Indonesian and FMA (Karol Krauser) 4. The Edge 2004 Was A Success! (Larry St. Clair) 5. Re: The Edge 2004 Was A Success! (Ray Terry) 6. RE: updating the FMA FAQ (dekat stickfighter) 7. Re: INIKTE (Ken Ingram) 8. Re: Body slaps in Indonesian and FMA (Ken Ingram) 9. RE: updating the FMA FAQ (Ken Ingram) 10. Re: updating the FMA FAQ (Ray Terry) 11. Re: updating the FMA FAQ (Ray Terry) 12. RE: The Edge 2004 Was A Success! (Jared Dame) 13. Re: Inikte (Sonny Napial) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 21:44:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Placido Yambao's take on "kali" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Leo, This brings back to mind a previous thread on FMA and other martial arts. Interesting isn't it that these two, arnis and wrestling are mentioned in the same line? A question: How many of us here on this list practice these two? What is it like flowing from one to the other? I have limited experience in wrestling/grappling (from zero to none :-)), although my friends do both. Any problems adapting stick/sword movements to wrestling techniques and strategies? Florante at Laura was also required reading for us in high school (between 1977-1981). Those soft-cover editions with covers that look like comic-book covers :-)..... Bot --- Leo Salinel wrote: > Professor Bot, > > Your translation needs no corrections or > amendments.:) > BTW, it is interesting that as early as the early > 1800's during the time of the Tagalog epic FLORANTE > AT > LAURA written by our own Shakespeare, Francisco > Balagtas, in the 1810s-1820s, the reference to > "buno" > (wrestling) and "arnis" (weapons fighting) was > already > there. I read the epic in high school as required > reading and the word "arnis" was alternately spelled > "arnes". > > ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Scott Kinney" To: Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 06:47:55 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Inikte Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Of course, Modern Arnis has 'Vortiference' but we do it a little differently. (vbg) Scott Kinney Amateur Barbarian --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 04:12:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Karol Krauser To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Body slaps in Indonesian and FMA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello all I am just trying to get some feedback in regards to the body slapping which seems to be very common in the Fillipino and Indonesian martial arts. I have heard its for timing, to simulate trapping as well being similar to the Kenpo concept of rebounding...I find it useful for many things but am interested in getting some opinions Ungoy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Larry St. Clair" To: Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:38:21 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] The Edge 2004 Was A Success! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The Edge kicked off it's first of two shows this year on Saturday, April 3rd at 11AM sharp. This show hosted 16 men and 1 woman battling it out for the 18 medals that were up for grabs. The day would be short in the sense of only five hours; but for the competitors it would seem like a life time worth of battles to go all the way to the winners circle. All of this took place in front of over 225 spectators to witness the beautiful, yet deadly art of Kali in action. The day progressed with a few short intermissions and some great demonstrations by Dan McAdams from ActionFlex. This included a Braveheart scene with all the fighters going after each other in a free for all! The day would finally wrap up with the moment everyone was anticipating. The Title Match would put Damon Stith the #1 contender in a rematch against the current Knife Fighting Champion Jason Lemond. The fight went as we all would have expected. After five, one minute rounds there would be a repeat all over again as the judges found it to be a draw just like last year! This would take us into a six round of action to try and figure out who would win the Championship. Unfortunately half way through the sixth round an accidental, but still illegal head kick was thrown by Damon and the match was called as he was disqualified. Even after this abrupt ending to a great match we can only hope to see these two square off again in the future. All in all, this first of two shows for 2004 was just awesome! There are plenty of great contenders for the Title Belts as well as a crop of new contenders that just took over the finals this year. With this many competitors hungry for advancement, our October show will truly be an event you don't want to miss! We would like to thank all of the fighters, spectators and our sponsors including Obee's Subs on Anderson Lane, Austin Screen Printing, Pointman Productions, Cold Steel, Advocare & ActionFlex for making this an awesome show. Here are the results.... BLADED STICK DIVISION 1st place - Issa Kafena 2nd place - Roberto Vallarino 3rd place - Chris Cahill OPEN STICK SUBMISSION DIVISION 1st place - Chris Cahill 2nd place - Issa Kafena 3rd place - Roberto Vallarino BLADED KNIFE DIVIION 1st place - Roberto Vallarino 2nd place - Aaron Alejandro 3rd place - Marc Molina OPEN KNIFE SUBMISSION DIVISION 1st place - TC Jones 2nd place - Roberto Vallarino 3rd place - Issa Kafena TUSSELING DIVISION 1st place - Daniel Brown 2nd place - Jason Lemond 3rd place - Issa Kafena HUBAD DIVISION 1st place - Issa Kafena 2nd place - Jason Lemond 3rd place - Chris Cahill KNIFE SUBMISSION - TITLE BOUT Jason Lemond def. Damon Stith (DQ - illegal head kick in overtime) ........... Feel free to stay up to date by visiting www.edgefighting.com. Thanks, Larry --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] The Edge 2004 Was A Success! To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > and figure out who would win the Championship. Unfortunately half way > through the sixth round an accidental, but still illegal head kick was > thrown by Damon and the match was called as he was disqualified. A kick to the head is an illegal technique?!? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:09:35 -0700 (PDT) From: dekat stickfighter Subject: RE: [Eskrima] updating the FMA FAQ To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, i'd like to update your list on FMA >Kali Ilustrisimo. It's Kalis Ilustrisimo >Lightning Scientific Arnis (Lema Scientific Kali Arnis Organization) It's Lightning Scientific Arnis International (LSAI) Lema Scientific Kali Arnis System (LESKAS) not Org is the sister organization of LSAI that was formed by the late Guro Elmer Ybanez last 1996. Lapunti Arnis De Abanico by GM Johnny Chuiten and Master Filemon Caburnay thanks >From: Ray Terry >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) >Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:41:56 -0700 (PDT) >Subject: [Eskrima] updating the FMA FAQ >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Currently the FMA FAQ has short entries about the following arts. >Anyone care to submit a new art, and entry, to the list? > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >=================================================================== >Babao Arnis >Balintawak International >Balintawok >Black Eagle Eskrima >Bohol Method >CCEKA >Combat Kalaki Arcanis >De Cuerdas >Defensor Method >Derobio >Doblete Rapillon >Doce Pares >Dog Brothers Martial Art >Escrima/KunTao/Silat >Eskrido >Eskrima >Estrella >F.A.T.E. >Filipino Boxing and Dumog >Garimot Arnis >German Arnis >Inayan System of Eskrima >Inayan Systems International >Inosanto Kali >Kadena de Mano >Kali Ilustrisimo >Kombatan Arnis >Kun Tao Silat >Kuntaw Lima-Lima >Lameco >Lapu Lapu Vinas Arnis >Lightning Scientific Arnis (Lema Scientific Kali Arnis Organization) >Modern Arnis >Moro-Moro Style >Moro-Moro Orabes Heneral >Oido de Caburata Arnis >Pananandata >Pangamot >Pekiti-Tirsia >San Miguel Eskrima >Sayoc Kali >Serrada Escrima >SLD (Serrada, Largo Mano, De Cuerdas) >Sudlud Eskrima >Tapado >Toledo-Collado >Vee-Arnis-Jitsu >Villabrille System >Visayan Style >Warriors Eskrima >Yaw-Yan --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:50:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken Ingram To: Eskrima Subject: Re: [Eskrima] INIKTE Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The guy is a good fighter. Don't let the marketing bullshit fool you. However, the massive amount of it[doublespeak] does lead to some amusement. What's your thought Joji? On Sun, 18 Apr 2004, Ray Terry wrote: > Of possible interest, if only for comic relief... > > http://inikte.com > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > -- ============================================================================ As recently as 1972, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia said that the jury has an "...unreviewable and irreversible power... to acquit in disregard of the instructions on the law given by the trial judge...." -- (US vs Dougherty, 473 F 2d 1113, 1139 (1972)) http://www.caught.net http://fija.org --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:56:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken Ingram To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Body slaps in Indonesian and FMA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In my life and experience it is a result of (I eschew the term side-effect) training the empty hand to "stay awake" According to my teacher, the empty hand should remain moving to avoid becoming a target. Furthermore, in the process one will periodically use techniques of drawing weapons as well. A solid draw comes from slapping the location to get a good grip or slapping an opposite location to distract an intial draw. By moving the hands in a rhythmic pattern and adding drawing techniques, I noticed a development of the characteristic "slapping" that intrigued me early in my studies. Ken On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, Karol Krauser wrote: > Hello all I am just trying to get some feedback in > regards to the body slapping which seems to be very > common in the Fillipino and Indonesian martial arts. > I have heard its for timing, to simulate trapping as > well being similar to the Kenpo concept of > rebounding...I find it useful for many things but am > interested in getting some opinions > > Ungoy > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ > http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > -- ============================================================================ As recently as 1972, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia said that the jury has an "...unreviewable and irreversible power... to acquit in disregard of the instructions on the law given by the trial judge...." -- (US vs Dougherty, 473 F 2d 1113, 1139 (1972)) http://www.caught.net http://fija.org --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:58:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken Ingram To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] updating the FMA FAQ Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I can give information about Visayan Style directly from the source. What information is desired? On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, dekat stickfighter wrote: > Hi, > > i'd like to update your list on FMA > >Kali Ilustrisimo. > It's Kalis Ilustrisimo > > >Lightning Scientific Arnis (Lema Scientific Kali Arnis Organization) > It's Lightning Scientific Arnis International (LSAI) > Lema Scientific Kali Arnis System (LESKAS) not Org is the sister organization of > LSAI that was formed by the late Guro Elmer Ybanez last 1996. > > Lapunti Arnis De Abanico by GM Johnny Chuiten and Master Filemon Caburnay > > thanks > > > > > >From: Ray Terry > >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) > >Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:41:56 -0700 (PDT) > >Subject: [Eskrima] updating the FMA FAQ > >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > >Currently the FMA FAQ has short entries about the following arts. > >Anyone care to submit a new art, and entry, to the list? > > > >Ray Terry > >rterry@idiom.com > >=================================================================== > > >Babao Arnis > >Balintawak International > >Balintawok > >Black Eagle Eskrima > >Bohol Method > >CCEKA > >Combat Kalaki Arcanis > >De Cuerdas > >Defensor Method > >Derobio > >Doblete Rapillon > >Doce Pares > >Dog Brothers Martial Art > >Escrima/KunTao/Silat > >Eskrido > >Eskrima > >Estrella > >F.A.T.E. > >Filipino Boxing and Dumog > >Garimot Arnis > >German Arnis > >Inayan System of Eskrima > >Inayan Systems International > >Inosanto Kali > >Kadena de Mano > >Kali Ilustrisimo > >Kombatan Arnis > >Kun Tao Silat > >Kuntaw Lima-Lima > >Lameco > >Lapu Lapu Vinas Arnis > >Lightning Scientific Arnis (Lema Scientific Kali Arnis Organization) > >Modern Arnis > >Moro-Moro Style > >Moro-Moro Orabes Heneral > >Oido de Caburata Arnis > >Pananandata > >Pangamot > >Pekiti-Tirsia > >San Miguel Eskrima > >Sayoc Kali > >Serrada Escrima > >SLD (Serrada, Largo Mano, De Cuerdas) > >Sudlud Eskrima > >Tapado > >Toledo-Collado > >Vee-Arnis-Jitsu > >Villabrille System > >Visayan Style > >Warriors Eskrima > >Yaw-Yan > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > -- ============================================================================ As recently as 1972, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia said that the jury has an "...unreviewable and irreversible power... to acquit in disregard of the instructions on the law given by the trial judge...." -- (US vs Dougherty, 473 F 2d 1113, 1139 (1972)) http://www.caught.net http://fija.org --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] updating the FMA FAQ To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > i'd like to update your list on FMA > >Kali Ilustrisimo. > It's Kalis Ilustrisimo > > >Lightning Scientific Arnis (Lema Scientific Kali Arnis Organization) > It's Lightning Scientific Arnis International (LSAI) > Lema Scientific Kali Arnis System (LESKAS) not Org is the sister organization of > LSAI that was formed by the late Guro Elmer Ybanez last 1996. Are the new names above recent changes? The names and style descriptions were submitted by people from those styles. > Lapunti Arnis De Abanico by GM Johnny Chuiten and Master Filemon Caburnay Is this a suggested new entry? If so a style description must be submitted in the form of those already present. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] updating the FMA FAQ To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > I can give information about Visayan Style directly from > the source. > > What information is desired? Check the FMA FAQ (at martialartsresource.com) and submit an entry similar to the long list of those already present. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 12 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] The Edge 2004 Was A Success! Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:54:49 -0400 From: "Jared Dame" To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I guess in that fighting art it is uncivilized to kick to the head....tell that to your mugger as then hit you over the head with a bat! Jared -----Original Message----- From: Ray Terry [mailto:rterry@idiom.com] Sent: Mon 19-Apr-04 11:49 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Cc: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] The Edge 2004 Was A Success! > and figure out who would win the Championship. Unfortunately half way > through the sixth round an accidental, but still illegal head kick was > thrown by Damon and the match was called as he was disqualified. A kick to the head is an illegal technique?!? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:59:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Sonny Napial To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Inikte Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I have never met Mr. Henry Adams, but his claim on his website, for having achieved instructor level from Grand Master Alfredo Bandalan is FALSE. I verified this with G/M Bandalan. He remembers him and his mother, but recalls Mr. Adams having participated in a few seminars and only received a Seminar Certificate for attending. I truly have deep reservation in believing the rest of his resume, but I don't need to go there. As far as what I can control, the Bandalan Doce Pares Association does not recognize his claim as having acheived Instructor Level. If there is any contradictory arguments to this fact, I would gladly invite anyone to present it to me. Sonny Napial Chief Instructor, Bandalan Doce Pares Association Certified Instructor Doce Pares (Multi-Style System) Cebu PI. WEKAF Western Region Director --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest