Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 03:01:51 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #162 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Re: Inikte (Ken Ingram) 2. Re: updating the FMA FAQ (Felipe Jocano) 3. Re: Silat Slapping (Mike Casto) 4. 2004 knife tourney (gordon walker) 5. Johnny Chuiten (gordon walker) 6. RE: The Edge 2004 Was A Success! (Karen Pence) 7. Kali Kalis (Ray Terry) 8. Tat Kun Tao: help needed (=?iso-8859-1?q?Moritz=20Sisenop?=) 9. Uncle Bill seminar (Sidney525@aol.com) 10. Leo and Bot's required readings... (jay de leon) 11. Bodyslapping (Phil Hurcum) 12. Re: Uncle Bill seminar (Mike Casto) 13. Re: Leo and Bot's required readings... (Felipe Jocano) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 02:37:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken Ingram To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Inikte Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Marketing is an interesting animal. It allows "embellishments" periodically touching in the arena of outright falsehoods. Marketing tactics aside, he was a competent fighter when I met him 14 years ago. In spite of any dodgy claims. I haven't seen him in 8 years so saying anything further would not be relevant. On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, Sonny Napial wrote: > I have never met Mr. Henry Adams, but his claim on his website, for having achieved instructor level from Grand Master Alfredo Bandalan is FALSE. I verified this with G/M Bandalan. He remembers him and his mother, but recalls Mr. Adams having participated in a few seminars and only received a Seminar Certificate for attending. I truly have deep reservation in believing the rest of his resume, but I don't need to go there. As far as what I can control, the Bandalan Doce Pares Association does not recognize his claim as having acheived Instructor Level. If there is any contradictory arguments to this fact, I would gladly invite anyone to present it to me. > > Sonny Napial > Chief Instructor, Bandalan Doce Pares Association > Certified Instructor Doce Pares (Multi-Style System) Cebu PI. > WEKAF Western Region Director > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > -- ============================================================================ As recently as 1972, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia said that the jury has an "...unreviewable and irreversible power... to acquit in disregard of the instructions on the law given by the trial judge...." -- (US vs Dougherty, 473 F 2d 1113, 1139 (1972)) http://www.caught.net http://fija.org --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 03:06:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] updating the FMA FAQ To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Ray, I have to comment about this. Dekat (sorry, don't know his real name, just his email handle) is right. GM Benjamin Luna Lema's organization is known as Lightning Scientific Arnis International. The late Maestro Elmer Ybanez started Lema Scientific Kali Arnis System in the late 1996, under the umbrella of the parent organization LSAI. Both the system and organization name are the same. In actual practice, however, the style practiced in LESKAS is the same as that of LSAI, with some innovations introduced by Maestro Ybanez. Essentially, the style remains the same. When I joined Eskrima Digest, I didn't check out the main website. I should have done so and seen this much earlier. Oh well...... Bot > > >Lightning Scientific Arnis (Lema Scientific Kali > Arnis Organization) > > It's Lightning Scientific Arnis International > (LSAI) > > Lema Scientific Kali Arnis System (LESKAS) > not Org is the sister organization of > > LSAI that was formed by the late Guro Elmer > Ybanez last 1996. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Silat Slapping Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 07:46:53 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I think the slapping the original poster was wondering about was the slapping of one's own body in solo forms (kembangan and such). I've been taught that slapping myself accomplishes some of the following: helping to condition me simulates striking the opponent (i.e.: a body part that is sandwiched between my hand and my arm/leg/etc.) simulates pulling the opponent into a strike simulates slapping myself or the opponent in order to counter a lock used as a form of "power assist" on some entries/techniques might simulate drawing a weapon from some concealed position There are others that I've been shown but those are the most common ones that I've been exposed to. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 11:38 PM Subject: [Eskrima] Silat Slapping > > Hello all I am just trying to get some feedback in > > regards to the body slapping which seems to be very > > common in the Fillipino and Indonesian martial arts. > > I have heard its for timing, to simulate trapping as > > well being similar to the Kenpo concept of > > rebounding...I find it useful for many things but am > > interested in getting some opinions > > > > The slapping is for sensory overload. "Am I hit??...Am I hurt?? (the bad > guy's body is saying). The slapping is also a pat down to feel for blades, guns, > impact weapons, etc. You can draw them and use them against the bad guy as > well. > > Tom Furman www.physicalstrategies.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 08:52:01 -0400 (EDT) From: gordon walker To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] 2004 knife tourney Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, I just think some people should be legally obligated to be kicked in the head. Im sure some of us have been and will continue to have this done to us. Its part of the "JOY" of training. Gord --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:00:23 -0400 (EDT) From: gordon walker To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Johnny Chuiten Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, Nice to know others know of Johnny Chuiten. He is one of my Guro's instructors that he speaks highly of. He,used to train his fighters in a full contact fighting, and some of the stories that I hear are kinda scary. My instructor said he would have two guys square off and the fight would go for the time limit, even if you were on the ground getting the brains beat out of you for the whole time limit. That sounds about as realistic as you can get. I think GM Chuitens club was called Red Lightning? I would appreciate any other info on this group and instructor. If you can send me this info privately, that would be good. Gord --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Karen Pence" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] The Edge 2004 Was A Success! Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 08:08:06 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Insurance would not allow any kick to the head. -----Original Message----- From: Ray Terry [mailto:rterry@idiom.com] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 10:49 AM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] The Edge 2004 Was A Success! > and figure out who would win the Championship. Unfortunately half way > through the sixth round an accidental, but still illegal head kick was > thrown by Damon and the match was called as he was disqualified. A kick to the head is an illegal technique?!? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:45:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Kali Kalis Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > i'd like to update your list on FMA > >Kali Ilustrisimo. > It's Kalis Ilustrisimo The bakbakan website seems to use both spellings. But it appears that Kalis is more accurate. e.g. =========================================================== KALI ILUSTRISIMO Kali Ilustrisimo is a highly effective system of Filipino martial arts. Presented by the First Generation Students of the art, this unique style is demonstrated and explained in detail by Senior Instructors Christopher Ricketts and Rey Galang. The Kali Ilustrisimo videotape series finally makes public the much sought after and respected art of the late Grandmaster Antonio "Tatang" Ilustrisimo. =========================================================== Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:52:50 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Moritz=20Sisenop?= To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Tat Kun Tao: help needed Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I'm a Tat Kun Tao practitioner. Unfortunately I have forgotten part of the forms I learned and I won't be able to learn under my teacher in the near future. I'm looking for video material, pictures, written material, anything that could help me. Can anyone help me with this? Thanks in advance - Moritz Mit schönen Grüßen von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Sidney525@aol.com Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:53:19 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Uncle Bill seminar Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I was fortunate enough to attend the Uncle Bill de Thouars seminar in Arkansas this past weekend. It was phenomenal on so many levels. He has some other seminars coming up, I believe on the west coast. Uncle Bill says he will want to retire in the next couple of years, so if you have an opportunity to you make it, you may want to catch him. Sid --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "jay de leon" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Cc: theclassic33@hotmail.com Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:00:22 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Leo and Bot's required readings... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Florante at Laura was also required reading for us in >high school (between 1977-1981). Those soft-cover >editions with covers that look like comic-book covers >:-).... Yes, that brings back not-so-fond memories. In my case, it was "Ibong Adarna." For me, reading/translating that epic tome was even more difficult and less fun than Shakespeare or even "The Aeneid" in Latin. And I am Tagalog at that, to boot. I do not remember if that epic mentions arnis, etc. In fact, I do not remember much of it, and I cannot even remember now what the big deal was with that bird. Jay de Leon _________________________________________________________________ Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:10:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Phil Hurcum To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Bodyslapping Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey Karol, we do two drills at least where the slapping acts as a timing chain for beat and to keep the proper hand positioning. Ie one hand out of the way when apropriate. ****Also IT LOOKS REALLY COOL**** Sorry I couldn't resist <;) Phil ===== Phil Hurcum .:Head Instructor:. Arkangel Martial Arts and Combat Sciences "Honour, Duty, Obligation, and Discipline" www.arkangelmartialarts.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Uncle Bill seminar Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:37:31 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net He'll be in Louisville, KY this weekend :-) http://impactacademy.com/seminars/flyers/triple_impact He's such a cool guy and a phenomenal martial artist. I just love spending time with him - training or otherwise. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 1:53 PM Subject: [Eskrima] Uncle Bill seminar > I was fortunate enough to attend the Uncle Bill de Thouars seminar in > Arkansas this past weekend. It was phenomenal on so many levels. He has some other > seminars coming up, I believe on the west coast. Uncle Bill says he will want > to retire in the next couple of years, so if you have an opportunity to you > make it, you may want to catch him. > > Sid > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:12:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Leo and Bot's required readings... To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Jay, Ibong Adarna didn't have any arnis in it. Yes, it was difficult for me too. What I do remember is that the stage versions (and some of them on TV too) had lots of sword fighting. As in fencing. If I remember right, that bird :-) had some sort of magic that would help cure the ailing king in the srory. Bot > Yes, that brings back not-so-fond memories. In my > case, it was "Ibong > Adarna." For me, reading/translating that epic tome > was even more difficult > and less fun than Shakespeare or even "The Aeneid" > in Latin. And I am > Tagalog at that, to boot. > > I do not remember if that epic mentions arnis, etc. > In fact, I do not > remember much of it, and I cannot even remember now > what the big deal was > with that bird. > > Jay de Leon > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN > Hotmail Extra Storage! > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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