Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 03:01:50 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #164 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Victor Gendrano Jr UK Seminar Schedule (Patrick Davies) 2. Re: Johnny Chiuten Style (m0rdant) 3. Re: New DVD update! (ulfhead@integrity.com) 4. "Re:Johnny Chiuten" (jay de leon) 5. FMA - Panantukan, Espada y daga and Solo Baston (Aaron Alejandro) 6. Re: RE: Johnny Chiuten (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:26:17 +0100 From: "Patrick Davies" To: "eskrima digest" Subject: [Eskrima] Victor Gendrano Jr UK Seminar Schedule Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Victor Gendrano Jr is an instructor at the Inosanto Academy having trained with Guro Inosanto for the last 23 years. He will be conducting a series of seminars throughout the UK in May. May 1st Aberdeen Pat Davies 07710401111 pat-amag@orange.net May 5th Northampton Ewen Campbell 07850434345 ewen@compuserve.com May 6th Cambridge Area - Jay Gibley +44 7887538191 J.M.Gilbey@virgin.net May 7th Shildon/Co Durham Richy Welsh 0790585619 richy.w@virgin.net May8th Ayr Pat Davies 07710401111 pat-amag@orange.net May 9th Glasgow Steve Krause Steve.Krause@virgin.net Due to cancellations we are still trying to replace a couple of dates and I will update when done so. Pat Davies Aberdeen Martial Arts Group www.amag.org.uk --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "m0rdant" To: Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:16:46 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Johnny Chiuten Style Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net At a Jopet Laraya seminar a few years back I was given a handout about the history of Pronus-Supinus Cadena De Mano System (Johnny Chiuten style). It reads as follows. ----- The originator, syntesizer and head of this system, Master JOHNNY CHIUTEN, Jr., draws upon his many years of involvement in different martial arts disciplines. Johnny Chiuten, of Filipino-Chinese descent, was born in Bogo, Cebu in the late 1930's. He had an early introduction to martial arts from his father, uncles, and grandfather where he honed to near perfection the basics of stances, blocks and punches. To maintain his cultural heritage he was sent to China to be brought up in the traditional Chinese customs. Here he was further exposed to more martial arts styles from his relatives. Returning to the Philippines, he involved himself in more martial arts styles, from boxing to wrestling, Judo, Karate, Tae-kwon-do, and Aikido. Upon graduation from high school, he enrolled in the state university in the pharmacy department and joined the Beta Sigma Fraternity whre he headed the martial arts section. All throughout the university days he was an instructor at the Hong Sing Athletic Association in Manilla's Chinatown, the assistant of GM Lao Kim, the grand old man of Manila's Chinatown in Ongpin. He also "observed" and "trained" with instructors from the other Chinese martial arts clubs. It was his long association with GM Lao Kim where he inherited the Dragon-Tiger style of Kung-fu (a family of Hung Gar) and started him on his quest for martial arts perfection, after dabbling in almost all available Chinese martial arts styles in the Philippines. Not content with the external styles, he also learned internal styles (tai chi, pa kua and Hsing-I), yoga, the occult and meditation practices. From all these arts that he learned, he integrated the principles into his brand of arnis. Johnny had been trained in the Balintawak style of arnis by no other than the grandmaster, GM ANCIONG BACON. After learning all he could from this style he moved on and found the arnis de abanico style of GM FELIMON CABURNAY which he helped improve by incorporating the stances of kung fu and the intricate hand technics of tai chi & aikido. The resistance of the arnis de abanico oldtimers to the introduction of the new concepts of kung fu into their art resulted in several factions. And those that learned the improved abanico style (the collaboration of Master Johnny & GM Felimon Caburnay) were few and what they learned of the improvements were mostly the physical aspects, without the advantage of having trained long enough in the intricacies, applications and rationales for the use of the stances, holds, traps, and take-downs. And as is common to all martial arts masters, the best techniques and secrets are "kept in the same household", to be shared only to the closest and most trusted followers. The primary, and perhaps trademark characteristic of the style, is the use of the crossed leg stance and its application in advancing and /or retreating while delivering multiple blows. Trapping techniques with the hands, feet, sticks & dagger, not to mention the intricate takedown and locking techniques, make this style very different from the traditional Filipino Martial Arts. The name given to this style, Pronus-Supinus (pron-supine) refers to the yin-yang relationship of the hands and the Cadena de mano (chain of hands) refers to the continuous hand movements as it relates to attack and/or defence techniques. These incorporate the principles of the different arts that form the bulk of the offensive and defensive arsenal. What forms the very foundation of this art is the stancework, hand and foot technics, the whole body being involved in the expression of the art. The stick and dagger are merely the extensions of the total art. There has been no claim of this art being a pure Filipino martial art style but rather, and expression of the fighting philosophy of Johnny, as comprehended and translated by his followers. >From its origins in the island of Bantayan, Cebu to the training halls in Manila's Chinatown & the Area 11 training grounds at the university of the Philippines, Johnny's art has been introduced to the USA by Master Rene Navarro and in Canada by Dr. Jopet Laraya. --- The introduction in a primar of Lapunti Arnis De Abanico that I have states that GM Filemon Caburnay and master Johnny F. Chiuten joined thier two systems to form Lapunti Arnis De Abanico on Dec 30th 1970. It also says "The name 'Lapunti' was coined to remember the roots of the original club members: 'la' from Labangon, 'pun' from Punta, and 'ti' from Tisa - three samll barrios surrounding the club." I've only been lucky enough to train with Dr. Jopet Laraya on two, far too short, occasions and found him to be a fantastic teacher, very skilled in a great system. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date: 08/04/2004 --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 06:34:04 -0500 From: ulfhead@integrity.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: New DVD update! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net For those interested the new Silat Sabungin vol. 3 (short knife fighting) and Capuan Boxing (Roman) by Blaise Loong are now available at www.boneheadllc.com. Thanks. - Tyrkon Lawson - --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "jay de leon" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Cc: theclassic33@hotmail.com Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:30:45 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] "Re:Johnny Chiuten" Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Some interesting lore here. For those of you documenting challenges, there's one right there. Can you tell us more about Lao Kim, or other prominent kung fu masters in RP? During my time, most (all?) of the kung-fu schools in Chinatown, Manila were closed schools, (closed to non-Chinese), so we were not privy to kung fu affairs. Of course, there were exceptions. I had karate buddies who claimed to train privately with kung fu practitioners, most probably not in regular schools. I myself trained as a private student with kung fu instructors who were non-Chinese. Do you mind identifying yourself? I can only speak for myself, but we should give credit where credit is due, with people who "share" experiences. Jay de Leon _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Aaron Alejandro" To: Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:10:47 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] FMA - Panantukan, Espada y daga and Solo Baston Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net While there are a wealth of videotapes, DVDs and CDs to assist any martial artists in reaching their respective goals, here are the first of many by Guro Harley Elmore (Warriors Way Martial Arts Academy - www.warriorswaytx.com) which assist the FMA student in three of the sub-systems of Lacoste-Inosanto Kali. I use all three for my personal development, but also for information to share with my private students in the Austin, Texas area. My understanding is that they are selling very well both here in the states and internationally. Because Guro Elmore is my instructor, I know his reputation as a very accomplished martial artist and excellent seminar instructor proceeds this small promotion of my respect and appreciation for his abilities. More importantly, he is receiving more and more opportunities to share his teaching style throughout the country in JKD and Sayoc Kali. Check out the tapes and you'll see why he is fast becoming one of the most sought after seminar instructors. The videotapes and DVDs can be found at: http://www.warriorswaytx.com/videos.htm Respectfully, Aaron Alejandro --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] RE: Johnny Chiuten To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Johnny asked for 1 year to study arnis, to even out the odds. He went > home to cebu and the first club he went to was the doce pares, where he > was turned down. Was this common back in the day? i.e. turning down someone that wanted to learn a particular style of Eskrima? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest