Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 03:01:50 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #169 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: ASP Baton Training VS Arnis Training (Sam Bell Jr) 2. Arnis in Colleges, HS as PE in PI. (GatPuno@aol.com) 3. Re: ASP Baton Training VS Arnis Training (Stickfighter87@aol.com) 4. getting too much email ? (Ray Terry) 5. ASP baton (Michael Koblic) 6. Arnis in schools (Alex Ercia) 7. Re: ASP Baton Training VS Arnis Training (dwayne howie) 8. Re: ASP baton (Stickfighter87@aol.com) 9. arnis wards, ASP certifications (tenrec@avcorner.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Sam Bell Jr" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] ASP Baton Training VS Arnis Training Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:27:10 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Kory, When I mentioned my Arnis background, my Instructor had never heard of that art before, so I had to give him an explanation of Arnis. Once he heard that Arnis deals with sticks quite allot, he understood where I was coming from. Also, that average Officer will not train on a weekly basis with his/her ASP, now I know there must be exceptions to this. It is good that your friend is getting you to teach advanced methods, I know I certainly would want as much training as I can get my hands on. What I learned was the basics, but I prefer to use my Arnis training when it comes down to it. I did show the ASP Instructor a few Arnis moves to show him the ease of the moves, as opposed to the ASP training. He did agree that Arnis is a better way to train, but he dropped it at that. Thanks, Sam --__--__-- Message: 2 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:13:31 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Arnis in Colleges, HS as PE in PI. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello, Modern Arnis was used to be taught in the major Colleges in Manila ang nearby provinces on 70's to 80's. Now is just taught as College Student Club not elective PE like it used to. May be some school still used Arnis but not Modern Arnis in particular. And how to pick a instructor, well is the same as they promote you to be a black belt, then you can teach Arnis before, like I did on 1978, I was tested by Senior Blackbelt Willy Annang, my Certificate is signed by Professor Remy Presas before I even become a Blackbelt. I know this is not happening now. Like other MA Arnis is only found in small student Arnis Club. > Hi. I was under the impression that arnis (Modern > Arnis) is taught in public schools now in the > Philippines. Is this still happening? > > What other styles, if any, of arnis are taught in > public schools there? Can someone elaborate? > > Do you know how the teachers are selected, etc? > Thanks. > I know a few student in UP and other school in Manila used to contact me for them to represent my Garimot Arnis/Harimaw Buno in their school. But I told them they need to learn it like How I learn it from my Grandmasters(Maestros). There is no overnight masters, but we could turn a student to be a good fighter. Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet GAT (Garimot Arnis Training) Group IN OTHER TOPIC. In regards of the learninbg Arnis in PI with the true Masters a lot of the student cannot take it, it becaused they will be taught how to recieved a hit first over and over. There is no sugar coating, spoon feeding techniques. Every student must respect the hit, and before learning how to avoid getting hit, and give your counter hit. Then they play, meaning sparring, sparring, sparring and sparring and more sparring. Not like the training of today, a lot of drill and they spoon feed every student thinking they can developed their heart for fighting. Remember one thing, the Arnis that I know is absolutely not the same Arnis that I have been seing demontrated here in the US. My vision is is simply, I rather have few practitioner that really know what their job out there. I dont really have patient to see a bunch of practitioner that goal is only physical lesson, Go to health Gym for Godsake if you are looking for fitness, but if you are looking for survival arts, seek a good technician of FMA. Guarantee you would not be sorry later, Gat Puno Abon --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Stickfighter87@aol.com Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:54:26 EDT Subject: Re: [Eskrima] ASP Baton Training VS Arnis Training To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net SAM: Yeah, It is good that you shared with your instructor. But isn't it amazing how most Law Enforcement Officers have that close mindedness? I found out real soon that when dealing with Police Officers in a large number, that it is almost near impossible to get a good class accross to them, because their ego's are so damn big. So what i've found for officers is the K.I.S.S. method is perfect for them. Kory --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 15:13:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] getting too much email ? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Getting too much email from the FMA Digest? Switch to the digestfied version of the list. One email "digest" contains 5 to 12 or so individual messages. Go to eskrima-fma.net and change your email options. Not getting enough email from the FMA Digest? Switch your mail options to non-digestified, i.e. each post is an individual email message. Go to eskrima-fma.net and change your email options. Your login at eskrima-fma.net is your email address. Don't recall your password? It is automatically sent to you each month or you can go to eskrima-fma.net and request that it be sent to you. Questions? Go to eskrima-fma.net. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Michael Koblic" To: "Eskrima digest" Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 16:28:55 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] ASP baton Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "Therefore in that case they by law can only strike the 5 or one of the 5 allowed areas as taught by the instructor during the course. " What are they? Michael Koblic Campbell River, BC --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Alex Ercia" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 16:41:30 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Arnis in schools Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Arnis is taught in certain schools as part of PE. But since we do not have many knowledgeable PE instructor in Arnis. Not many public schools have it as part of the curriculum. I know that since GM Ernesto Presas is a PE instructor in UST( University of Santo Thomas) there is Arnis as PE there. Also in UPLB(University of the Philippines Los Banos Laguna) Coach Sonny Mejia of Lightning Scientific Arnis (A great great group to go to workout with and a great teacher of arnis and Judo) teaches there. I was also told by Sonny that they have a group in UP Diliman in Quezon city. GM Ernesto and his instructors taught at CCP(forgot the name) and Lyceum of Manila. I am not sure if they still have classes there. Anybody might like to add. This is all I know. Hope this helps. Alex _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "dwayne howie" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] ASP Baton Training VS Arnis Training Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 23:25:36 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net hey guys, first of all i agree with what you are saying about the laziness and prideful nature of the leo's but i also can give a few other reasons for their attitudes and quick avoidance of questions and what if's. first someone has already said something on the topic of lethal and non lethal striking areas but another reason for the limited answers or non answers to some questions is the lawsuits against you as an instructor if you state anything or show anything outside the policy of that department. i could'nt agree more that officers should take advantage of ma or fma training other than work. some departments policy include the statement now " defending yourself by any means up to and including unarmed self defense" techniques taught by their department. i've been a martial artist more than 35 years and a certified criminal justice instructor with many specialties areas and have seen defensive tactics changed like underwear because of someone with political pull to make themselves look good and promote it to a board that has no idea what ma is or how to spell it. the other disadvantage of this is a person may be injured and a whole program changed because of workmans comp insurance being used for injuries that more than likely happened somewhere other than class. just my 2 cents worth. >From: Stickfighter87@aol.com >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] ASP Baton Training VS Arnis Training >Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:54:26 EDT > >SAM: > >Yeah, It is good that you shared with your instructor. But isn't it >amazing >how most Law Enforcement Officers have that close mindedness? I found out >real soon that when dealing with Police Officers in a large number, that it >is >almost near impossible to get a good class accross to them, because their >ego's >are so damn big. So what i've found for officers is the K.I.S.S. method is >perfect for them. > >Kory >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _________________________________________________________________ Test your ‘Travel Quotient’ and get the chance to win your dream trip! http://travel.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Stickfighter87@aol.com Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 23:50:21 EDT Subject: Re: [Eskrima] ASP baton To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net ASP Baton: The areas that according to the PPCT program stressed by a NON-Threatning area of attack. The 5 allowed striking targets are: 1. Median Area- Top part of the forearm 2. Ulna Area- Bottom part of the forearm 3. Common Peronial Area- Outside part of the thigh / leg 4. Femoral Area- Inside part of thigh / leg 5. Tibial Area- Back of calf / Leg Given at any moment the situation becomes escalated to deadly threat the officer may at that time upon using his better judgement use any tactic or attack any target using as much force possible to stop the threat from going any further. This means he / she may attack the head, face, neck, back, knee, elbow, wrist, area to immobilize the subject. KORY --__--__-- Message: 9 From: tenrec@avcorner.com To: eskrima Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 06:20:27 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] arnis wards, ASP certifications Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Yehey all! Fellow SAyonachi practitioner Mr. Jocano wrote: >An observation, to which I invite comments - Perhaps the arnis systems with the largest >>number of students are those more or less organized similar to karate, taekwondo and >>>?judo classes - an organized format,standard drills, fixed curriculum, etc. tenrec: I've read and heard of this in the past, from other practitioners. I think the colored belt and grading systems were introduced to make it more like the Japanese and other organized Asian styles. Mr.Sam Bell Jr wrote: >> Nothing against the instructor, but there was just too much wasted movement's. How different are the ASP techniques as taught by Monadnock/ASP/PPCT vs. Arnis? Examples please. Also, does anyone have experience using the Monadnock model with the push button on the end for easy retraction? Is it reliable and or easy to open with one hand? Mr. TenDigitTouch Ray Purdy wrote: > Hi. I was under the impression that arnis (Modern Arnis) is taught in public schools >now in the Philippines. Is this still happening? My resident Phil. Expert says that it is offered in many if not all schools, and in most of the major universities and colleges in the PI. >What other styles, if any, of arnis are taught in public schools there? Can someone > elaborate? The University of the PHil. used to offer Modern Arnis (Remy Presas), not sure if they still do, but I am told that LESKAS is also offered at the UP now. The University of Santo Tomas used to be and I think still is a center for Ernesto Presas Arnis. CAn anyone elaborate on the styles available in Cebu and the Visayas? --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest