Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 03:01:50 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #184 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Gordon's Escrima in Baguio and Contact Info for GM Nes Fernandez (jay de leon) 2. Cliff Stewart's Silat Camp June 11-13 2004 (Todd Ellner) 3. Re: Kettle Bells (Jonathan Broster) 4. Re: Blaise Loong Seminars and Classes! (Stovall, Craig) 5. Re: Holy Smokes Kettle Bells (Stovall, Craig) 6. Smokin Kettle Bells (Phil Hurcum) 7. Big hands mean , , , (Marc Denny) 8. I'm sorry, I can't resist... (jose saguisabal) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "jay de leon" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Cc: theclassic33@hotmail.com Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 17:58:44 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Gordon's Escrima in Baguio and Contact Info for GM Nes Fernandez Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (1) Gordon wrote : Any body pare escrima in Baguio?? he he. John Nakihid is an ED member and has an FMA group in Baguio City. Hopefully, he responds to your post; if not, you can either research the ED archives, or I will search my own and see if I have contact info for him. He is the guy that informed me that he was in contact with GM Nes Fernandez who was training the Chief of Police of Baguio City surnamed de Leon, possibly a relative. These de Leons are all over the place. (2) Which brings us to the second topic. I have received a couple of private emails requesting for contact info on GM Nes Fernandez. My answer is--I wish I had it. For the past couple of years, Kuya Nes has been in semi-retirement in the U.S. and RP. Unfortunately, the man will not stay put in one place. He has been spotted in Manila, Pangasinan and Baguio City (which is just a couple of hours drive from Pangasinan). A couple of months ago, his mother, Dona Constantina de Leon Fernandez (Lola Tinay) passed away, so we know he was in Binmaley, Pangasinan at that time for the funeral. My mother and a couple of brothers are going to RP in a few months, so I will request them to get whatever contact info they can get for Kuya Nes. My own personal experience with Kuya Nes is that he has a soft spot in his heart for any MA people (he had strong ties as well to the kung fu community in Northern CA), and will do anything to help them. So I am sure he will have no objection to any of you contacting him. Jay de Leon former resident of Jungle Town, Baguio City (every summer) as guest of the late (ret.) Philippine Army Sgt. Jose de Leon (grandfather) _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 15:19:28 -0700 From: Todd Ellner To: , , , CC: Subject: [Eskrima] Cliff Stewart's Silat Camp June 11-13 2004 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Cliff Stewart will be holding a seminar June 11-13 in Los Angeles. If you can make it, by all means do so. It promises to be a very, very good. June 11-12-13, 2004 - Los Angeles Pentjak Silat Camp of the Masters Stoner Recreation Center, 1835 Stoner Ave. Los Angeles, CA 90025 Camp Schedule: Friday June 11, 7 - 10PM | Martial Arts Masters' Symposium   Symposium Location: 5900 Wilshire Blvd, 26th Floor [map] Saturday June 12, 7:30 AM | Registration Saturday June 12, 8:00 AM - 5:00 PM | Camp Seminars Sunday June 13, 7:30 AM | Registration Sunday June 13, 8:00 AM - 5:00 PM | Camp Seminars The Instructors: Master Ahati "Kilindi" Iyi: African Martial Arts Master Graciella Casillas: Filipino Knife and Stick Science Master Rick Suskind: Bando - Cobra System GrandMaster Ron Chapél: Sub-Level Four Kenpo System Mestre Dennis Newsome: Capoeira - Angola Master Tony Felix and Guru Alvin: Wali Sango Silat Guru Stevan Plinck:Traditional Serak Guru Cliff Stewart: Traditional Pentjak Silat Pukulan Bukti Negara Serak Guru Freda Doyle: Traditional Pentjak Silat Pukulan Bukti Negara Serak Guru Thomas Lomax: Traditional Pentjak Silat Pukulan Bukti Negara Serak PLUS guest appearances from surprise instructors. Pre-Registration Fees: Masters' Symposium: $25.00. Spectators: $25.00 per day. Camp Participants: $110/Day $199 discount package includes Masters' Symposium and 2 days of Camp activities. Day-of-event fees: Masters' Symposium: $25.00. Spectators: $25.00 per day. Camp Participants: $125.00/day or $225/for 2-day package For those of you who have not had the privilege of meeting Mr. Stewart I'll let Massad Ayoob do the talking: I've known Cliff for more than 15 years - as student and instructor, friend and peer.   The guy has more black belts than a men's clothing store, and in many of the disciplines he has studied he is a master instructor: a trainer of other instructors.   When you're rich and famous, you need two kinds of CPAs: one is the guy that will help you keep as much as possible of the money you have earned; the other is a Close Protection Agent like Cliff, to keep you alive to enjoy it. A veteran of over 25 years in the Executive Protection field, Cliff Stewart has provided elite bodyguard services to the rich and famous, including Wesley Snipes, Larry Flynt, Mr. T., Joan Collins, Muhammad Ali, Stevie Wonder, James Garner, members of royal families and foreign diplomats. He is the one who trains the teachers of Law Enforcement, Federal Agencies and Martial Arts Organizations. It's no wonder in Hollywood he's called the "Bodyguard to the Stars."   Cliff Stewart knows his stuff. [...] I manage crisis and teach crisis management for a living. I know the difference between the professionals and the phonies. Cliff Stewart is a professional. When he talks, I listen. So do other professionals. And so should you. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 14:13:50 +0100 From: "Jonathan Broster" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Kettle Bells Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi There are all sorts of items that are cheap and durable that you can use for really effective strength training. I particulary like a sack of building sand. You can bench press it, shoulder press etc, but the balance is all off, so you have to focus on holding, gripping and balancing it; this is great for core strength. Also, try bench pressing a punchbag. Great for balance and hand strength. I tend to do it with my hands open, so that my fingers are exerting strength while my hand is open. Jon ... --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 08:27:33 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Blaise Loong Seminars and Classes! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net <<>> Here we go again... I hope I can ask this question in a fair manner that doesn't set off the firestorm that we had last time. Does he really have a direct link to this "Capuan Boxing"? How does one know what was trained at this school? Does this school still exist? If not, how was the knowledge passed down to present days? Written records or oral tradition? Or studying the artwork on clay pots and frescoes? I don't have a problem with people going out and reconstructing past traditions, and I certainly don't have a problem with Mr. Loong. Lord knows there are more than a few people out there doing MMA under the banner of "Pankration" when they have absolutely no direct link to those ancient traditions. I guess I have two questions. One...it would be really fascinating to learn about how this fighting was done in ancient Rome, so I'm wondering what are the sources of information? Two...if there is no direct link then why not just call it "MMA"? I hope this post is taken in the spirit of friendly curiosity with which it is meant. Good luck with the seminars. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error or are unsure whether it contains confidential or privileged information, please immediately notify us by email or telephone. You are instructed to destroy any and all copies, electronic, paper or otherwise, which you may have of this communication if you are not the intended recipient. Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 10:30:38 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Holy Smokes Kettle Bells Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net <<>> This is an interesting subject, and one that I believe to be highly pertinent to martial arts training. Last year, I had the misfortune of being volunteered to help my brother-in-law in the re-roofing of our mutual father-in-law's home. Since I had no roofing skill I did the best I could by helping out with the grunt work. All I can say is that I'd hate to tangle with a guy who makes his living by shouldering a square of shingles, and lugging those bad boys up a ladder all day. Good grief what a workout! It's just so different from lifting weights, or anything else in the realm of "traditional" conditioning. Bottom line...this type of manual labor will let you know two things in a hurry. How strong your hands and forearms are, and how strong you are in your posterior chain. Strong hands and forearms + strong posterior chain = bad mofo. Throw some martial arts training on top of that = super bad mofo. Fortunately, I believe it's possible to have a lot of that type of strength without becoming a day laborer. I think the reason you see so many people touting the "dino training" paradigm is because it creates that same type of functional strength and endurance that traditional day laborers develop over time. Look at things like sandbag carries/lifts/throws, farmers walk, medicine ball throwing, keg lifting/carrying, sled dragging, etc. Just 20 to 40 minutes a week can have tremendous results. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error or are unsure whether it contains confidential or privileged information, please immediately notify us by email or telephone. You are instructed to destroy any and all copies, electronic, paper or otherwise, which you may have of this communication if you are not the intended recipient. Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 12:04:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Phil Hurcum To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Smokin Kettle Bells Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Gints I couldn't agree with you more. The point I was rambling on about without making very clear was that the expensive equipment is all well and good but sometimes not necessary. A weight modelled on an old cooking utensil is hardly space age or unreproducable. I forget the name of the tool but the Traditional Japanese Weights which are basically wooden handles with stones on the end, the indian club which was all the rage in my grandfathers times, etc. Good examples.I was very interested in kettlebells, but considering they are just big chunks of metal dropped into a mold,and the priced asked for this,I will make my own. I have a lathe, I make bats and two handed sticks with it. I take a forstnerbit and jam a big hole in the end, melt some lead and pore it in. (Use ventilation, very dangerous)Plug the top and there you go. Perfect for sparring practice all the weight is at the end, buikd s superior hand strength. Time is of the essence in a day. I am not going to go lay bricks at the end of the day, I don't have time. I am going to make my own equipment though. I think kettlebells are great, it's not really fair to call them a fad as they have a lot of real value. More so in my mind than a lot of the bodybuilding theories out there. However they are building market demand, it follows the price will rise to a peak that will correlate with interest in the product.Prices will max. Meanwhile I will be making my own equipment, seeing the same results and saving a great deal of money which I don't have to spend anyway. phil ===== Phil Hurcum .:Head Instructor:. Arkangel Martial Arts and Combat Sciences "Honour, Duty, Obligation, and Discipline" www.arkangelmartialarts.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 23:56:53 +0200 (GMT+02:00) From: Marc Denny To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Big hands mean , , , Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: Gints wrote: "In gloved fighting events, finger strength is of little value." No doubt this is true in one sense, but I do note that of the several champion boxers I have met (Sugar Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns, Meldrick Taylor, Terry Norris, Julio Cesar Chavez, Buster Douglas, George Forman and Riddick Bowe) only Micheal Nunn had soft hands. All the rest had hard, strong hands. Often I used handreading as a hook for the conversation. Thomas Hearn's hands were extraordinary-- like liquid rock. He was a bit reluctant to let me read them but when I took a quick look and told him that he would be a sex god until he was 90 all reluctance disappeared. BTW, Don King has a remarkably short headline-- a sign of extremely narrow focus. In his case it is a matter of "Where's the money?" Tomorrow and Sunday is the seminar in Bern with Lonely Dog and on Tuesday I look forward to seeing GT Gaje in Germany before flying back home. Yip! Crafty Dog --__--__-- Message: 8 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 17:00:53 -0700 From: "jose saguisabal" Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80) Subject: [Eskrima] I'm sorry, I can't resist... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net But "For those in the Orange County, CA area... Blaise Loong will be starting up seminars and classes in Cypress,Orange, and more cities to come. The curriculum covers the six following warrior traditions. (1) The Filipino Warrior Arts -- Emphasis on the fighting methods of the Southern Philippines (moro systems) and on those styles developed by Battle circle (‘pit’) champions. We call this blend ‘Patayin Estilo’-- The ‘Death Match’ of sword and battlestick fighting. (2) The Jun Fan fighting metod Jeet Kune Do concepts -- The system of combat developed by Bruce Lee (Lee Jun Fan). (3) Nagondzog -- The traditional Apache methods of hunting, survival, and guerrilla warfare. (4) Silat\Pentjak Silat – The warrior styles of the Tausugs (Sulu), Minangkabau (Sumatra), the Wali Suci (Java), the Bugis (Sulewest, and the melayu (Malaysia). We call this blend Silat Sabungin The cockfighting system of FilipinoIndonesian short knife fighting..." ???? I am curious about the origin of some of those styles...correct me if I am wrong, but what are the Tausug, Wali Suki and Malayu connections for martial arts? And "fighting methods of the Southern Philippines"? Am I correct in assuming he is talking about "Southern Philippine stick and knife fighing" ;-)? I won't comment on the "Roman" and "Apache" styles, because I don't know anything about them but.... I have noticed a lot of people declaring certain regions of the Philippines in Filipino martial arts, and I really doubt many of the connections and lineages. Where the hell did Roman martial arts come from? I didn't even know there were folks around that still spoke the languages. Jay ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest