Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 03:01:48 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #187 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. re: my 2 cents on "crunch time" (bphillips211@sprintpcs.com) 2. Re: Information please (John Johnson) 3. RE: Medieval Combat (Young Forest) 4. Caveman Arts (Phil Hurcum) 5. Medieval Combat (Ollie Batts) 6. RE: European MA (WoodyTX) 7. any FMA in or near West Covina CA? (PHATK98@aol.com) 8. Blaise Loong Seminar etc... (ulfhead@integrity.com) 9. Is this a legitimate martial art? (martialhero@comcast.net) 10. Re: GM Cacoy (Brett Hand) 11. Iraq Police Mission (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 09:26:02 +0000 (GMT) From: bphillips211@sprintpcs.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] re: my 2 cents on "crunch time" Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: eric.taimanglo@us.army.mil "The lessons I learned from the firefight that I apply to FMA: 1. train with something/one to stimulate the adrenaline dump. it WILL open your eyes. 2. gross motor skills are underrated; streamline your movements. 3. pretty never wins the day. your fist/stick/knife doing damage does. Anyway, people, I have been monitoring eskrima digest for about 3-4 years now... i always look forward to what everyone has to say... Ray, keep up the good work, and have a cold one for all of us here. Thanks! ---SPC Eric Taimanglo, 1st Armored Division " SPC, Thanks for the intel bro. You get to points south (whether for R&R or to get patched up!) you let me know, we get you what you need. For those that don't know the 1rst AD has generally gotten screwed over by an insane OpsTempo and extension of their deployment rotations. You know a 1rst AD soldier.. hook them the f**k up! Hooah! (why does the Army leave out the "r"? LOL) EMF Medics in the rear, with the gear, and the NEAR-beer. HM3 Phillips, EMF-15, Camp Doha TMC, ARCENT you want to contact me offline use the .mil addie brian.phillips@kuwait.army.mil "The Navy, it can be the slackingest job you'll ever hate!" -------------------- This message was sent from a PCS Phone from Sprint. Get a free PCS Mail account! Sign up via the Web Browser on your Sprint Phone or at http://www.sprintpcs.com. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "John Johnson" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Information please Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 11:00:27 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net If you go to netsword.com and enter the forums you can find all the information you ever wanted about Medieval sword fighting and unarmed combat. The people there are very knowledgable and well informed on any new findings of the western martial arts. Very good stuff. Peace Out John >From: "Andrew Heuett" >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: , >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Information please >Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 22:01:33 -0400 > >I was in a Medieval History class at my community college, and there was a >guy who did a report on the combat of the times. The book he used as a >reference was "Medieval Combat: A Fifteenth-Century Illustrated Manual of >Swordfighting and Close-Quarter Combat" by Hans Talhoffer. From what I >understand the book was written and illustrated by a 15th century fencing >instructor--so all the moves are genuine, and so are the odd weaponry. >It's on Amazon.com for $26-$32. There's also a more in-depth synopsis on >it. >____________________________ >Andrew Heuett > > > > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: Ollie Batts >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 18:17:10 +0100 > > >Can anyone on the Digest give me any information about Anglo Saxon, >Celtic, > >Neolithic and Caveman fighting arts please? ;o) > > > >Pugil > >________________________________________________________________ >Get your own evilemail.com address at http://www.evilemail.com >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Young Forest" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 15:14:08 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Medieval Combat Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >I was in a Medieval History class at my community college, and there was a >guy who did a report on the combat of the times. The book he used as a >reference was "Medieval Combat: A Fifteenth-Century Illustrated Manual >of Swordfighting and Close-Quarter Combat" by Hans Talhoffer. From >what I understand the book was written and illustrated by a 15th century >fencing instructor--so all the moves are genuine, and so are the odd >weaponry. It's on Amazon.com for $26-$32. There's also a more in-depth >synopsis on it. I would also recommend Pete Kautz and www.alliancemartialarts.com Badger Siling Labuyo Arnis _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 08:20:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Phil Hurcum To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Caveman Arts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Anyone remembering the guy who was channeling the spirit of Micheal D Echanis? His name was Thor and he was teaching the next levels of Echanis' Hwa Rang Do as regards knife work. I don't think the two had ever actually met, all instruction received was purely on the astral plane. I bet he still sold some tapes. Phil ===== Phil Hurcum .:Head Instructor:. Arkangel Martial Arts and Combat Sciences "Honour, Duty, Obligation, and Discipline" www.arkangelmartialarts.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 19:04:36 +0100 From: Ollie Batts To: Subject: [Eskrima] Medieval Combat Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "I was in a Medieval History class at my community college, and there was a guy who did a report on the combat of the times. The book he used as a reference was "Medieval Combat: A Fifteenth-Century Illustrated Manual of Swordfighting and Close-Quarter Combat" by Hans Talhoffer. From what I understand the book was written and illustrated by a 15th century fencing instructor--so all the moves are genuine, and so are the odd weaponry. It's on Amazon.com for $26-$32. There's also a more in-depth synopsis on it." ____________________________ Andrew Heuett Yes, I have a copy of the book already thanks, and a whole lot more. I've carried our many years of personal research at the University Library in Oxford (the Bodleian) and Cambridge University Library. I am also well-aware that there are many re-enactment groups and societies, such as the Sealed Knot. If all we need to do is buy a copy of the above book and, perhaps, also go see one of the Hollywood epics, why do we need to attend a Viking, Roman, Native American, etc. seminar with someone who has done likewise? When attending a seminar it's my preference to ascertain the bona-fides and background of the people teaching, before parting with my hard-earned cash. So, which one(s) of these societies does those people offering martial arts training seminars in these ancient arts belong to? Failing that, where and whom have they trained with, and for what period of time? Not much to ask surely? Pugil P.S. I have no intention of answering the following e-mail sent to me by a self-confessed "Not registered member-still reading the Digest"! "Would you please be so kind as to avoid the famous Blaise Loong's topic in the FMA Digest? It seems to me some of you are always willing to start an "e-mail war " in this matter. You can see the answer you got from another person. It seems there is some information in ancient fighting arts, so it could be possible that somebody has learned them in such a way or any other. May be you would not teach others what you found in a book, but it's up to you.(but if you are a teacher, you might use some books to teach roman history to your students, you don't use a time travel machine) So, please stop sending your ironic comments, they are very disagreeable and of a very bad taste. If you don't like the man or what he teaches, just send him an e-mail, ask him where did he learn those fighting arts and leave the Digest free of this kind of comments, they do not help. Please!!!" --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "WoodyTX" To: Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 13:19:20 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: European MA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net After looking at a lot of the books out there on medieval swordsmanship, I got "Secrets of German Medieval Swordsmanship" by Christian Henry Tobler (Amazon.com product ID 1891448072.) for my instructor for Christmas last year. In the 1300s, Johannes Liechtenauer developed an fighting system based on weapons and armor of the times, including grappling. He kept his arts secret through the use of cryptic mnemonic verses. His system dominated European martial arts for centuries. Much later, Sigmund Ringeck translated the verses (with commentary) into plain German. This book is Tobler's translation of Ringeck's interpretation of the original verses. The original verses and interpretations are included. There have (of course) been some mis-interpretations, mostly posted on www.swordforum.com. The advanced techniques refute the conventional wisdom that European medieval martial arts were coarse and undeveloped. The consensus that any Samurai could best any Knight is being challenged. The half-swording techniques (gripping your sword about halfway down the blade with a mailed glove) are very interesting, and remind me of Kambiata (sp?) trapping techniques. The worst aspect of the book (to me) are the tragically mulleted "demo dummies" wearing uniformly dark period clothing, but they're wearing full armor in most of the pictures. Finally, there are a number of schools of Western martial arts popping up, primarily through AEMMA (Academy of European Medieval Martial Arts: http://www.aemma.org/). For me, the FMA are my primary focus. With a last name like "Schneider", I'm obviously interested in a German fighting art. Kurt > I was in a Medieval History class at my > community college, and there was a guy who did a > report on the combat of the times. The book he > used as a reference was "Medieval Combat: A > Fifteenth-Century Illustrated Manual of > Swordfighting and Close-Quarter Combat" by Hans > Talhoffer. From what I understand the book was > written and illustrated by a 15th century > fencing instructor--so all the moves are > genuine, and so are the odd weaponry. It's on > Amazon.com for $26-$32. There's also a more > in-depth synopsis on it. > ____________________________ > Andrew Heuett --__--__-- Message: 7 From: PHATK98@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 15:09:13 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] any FMA in or near West Covina CA? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I live in west covina and I have been looking for a place to learn FMA. I would imagine there is a school around here since it has a large population of filipinos. I have been searching on the internet for months and I need help. please let me know if you know a place for FMA near my area. Thank you! kirby cabrera Phatk98@aol.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 17:43:20 -0500 From: ulfhead@integrity.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Blaise Loong Seminar etc... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net This same issue came up before so I am just cutting and pasting from an old digest post here… First, and foremost, I suggest that those interested in how/where Blaise learned some of the styles he teaches contact him personally via e-mail at www.boneheadllc.com or www.yashai.com. It’s always better to hear it from the main guy himself. Right? Any way… ________________________________________________________________________ (1) Norse styles Blaise learned in Finland, Sweden & Norway. Also, a generational Bard (skald) from Iceland showed him much. He learned from historians, museum experts and folks claiming to know a bit about old ways. Nothing elaborate, but a good system he deduced from the data. That and picking up a Viking sword & shield and training with them. (2) Blaise learned his pammachon & Capuan boxing the same way. (3) Nagondzog > Blaise learned from his elders of the White Mountain Apache Tribe in Arizona. I do not want to say much more than that on this matter because, as one of Blaise’s students, how unbiased could I possibly be seen? Thus, I am merely sharing what Blaise himself has shared with me regarding these systems. You can make up your own minds of course. This, undoubtedly, will do nothing for people who simply want to heckle for the sake of it. This post is not for you. You just keep doing what you are good at. ;-) However, for those who sincerely doubt the credibility of some of these systems taught by Blaise this IS for YOU. I understand your skepticism completely. Being a science teacher I am a very skeptical individual myself and rely heavily on empirical evidence. Had Blaise claimed to have time traveled or to have channeled spirits (that one actually made me chuckle) then I wouldn’t be one of his students. Whether or not these questionable systems are 100% historically accurate (Blaise does not claim that by the way) they are solid systems nevertheless. I’m inclined to simply suggest that you see for yourself by training with Blaise or at least by viewing one of his DVDs on the subject. However, I know that that is futile to one who has already seen red flags. Bottom line is it’s not for everyone. No it probably is not exactly how the Vikings and/or Romans fought. Again, they are simply systems Blaise teaches BASED on what he has deduced from the data available. Perhaps you feel that a system that has been deduced in such a way is not worth your hard earned $$$. Totally understandable. There are plenty of awesome instructors out there with lots to share. What more can I say? Good luck. - Tyrkon Lawson - --__--__-- Message: 9 From: martialhero@comcast.net To: Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 23:26:19 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Is this a legitimate martial art? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi fellow Filipino Martial Artists, Im a new member to your community and im probably considered a beginner even after 12 years of training. I was taught at home by a good friend who had training in a number of arts, most of which was learned in California and here in Lancaster, PA by a guy who no longer teaches. The style I was told I was being taught was/is called Tao of Wu Ming Do. Now i ran into a sifu who said the art wasnt an art but that an old comrade used the name that a bunch of guys used to use in the old days, 60's or 70's i beleive. The name is supposed to mean The Way of Ultimate Reality. The style consists of Wing Chun, Inosanto Kali, Dumog, Panajakman, Panatukan, Muay Thai, Tai Chi Chuan(not sure which style, we did a lot of da lu, pushing hands), and shorts from other arts. To me this art is a conceptual Jeet Kune Do. Anyone out there with any information at all please respond, I would sincerely appreciate it and i am sorry if I misspelled anything or have confused anyone. Keep the Spirit Alive, Sean Putt --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 19:03:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Brett Hand To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: GM Cacoy Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Gm Cacoy will also be doing a seminar at Richard Bustillo's IMB Academy on 6/13/04. The IMB is located in Torrance Ca. www.imbacademy.com or (310) 787- 8793 Brett P. 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