Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:56:05 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #188 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Re: GM Cacoy (Mike Casto) 2. wrong spelling of Filipino terms by Americans (Leo Salinel) 3. Primitive fighting techniques (julian.gilmour@barclays.co.uk) 4. Is this a legitamate martial art? (Mike aka Shugendo) 5. Re: wrong spelling of Filipino terms by Americans (ulfhead@integrity.com) 6. Re: wrong spelling of Filipino terms by Americans (Mike Casto) 7. Historical Sword Arts (argyll@comcast.net) 8. Kettlebells, Cutting Practice, & Crunch Time (Buz Grover) 9. Re: Re: GM Cacoy (abreton@juno.com) 10. Re: Re: GM Cacoy (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: GM Cacoy Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 22:25:07 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net And will be at Reading Academy in Reading, OH on Saturday, July 17 and at Asian Fighting Arts in Dayton, OH on July 18. http://asianfightingarts.com Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brett Hand" To: Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 10:03 PM Subject: [Eskrima] Re: GM Cacoy > Gm Cacoy will also be doing a seminar at Richard Bustillo's IMB Academy on 6/13/04. The IMB is located in Torrance Ca. www.imbacademy.com or (310) 787- 8793 > > > Brett P. Hand > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 20:35:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Leo Salinel To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] wrong spelling of Filipino terms by Americans Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I hope people concerned won't take it personally, but if you Americans intend to use Filipino terms for your hybrid FMA-sourced or FMA-influenced arts/systems, please AT THE VERY LEAST get the grammar and syntax right! I know I'll be infuriating some ED members who are "utak pulbura" (a Tagalog term meaning literally "gunpowder-minded or gunpower brains", in other words, who shoot off with anger first before thinking, or without thinking at all). Patayin Estilo? Should be "Estilong Patayan". Silat Sabungin? Should be "Silat Sabungan" or "Sabungang Silat". Now, I do not question Blaise Loong's ability with the martial arts or his personality, but please, people, let's be accurate with our conjugation, syntax, etc. If the Americans could be accurate with their Americanized systems like "Kenpo Karate", "Kara-ho Kenpo", "Kajukenbo", "Wun Hop Kuen Do", etc., then why not with FMA? It's really irritating when you're Filipino and Americans treat your language with less respect than they give Chinese and Japanese syntax/spelling/etc. and take too much liberties with their Tagalog. I'm sure it would be a great help if you guys come to the Philippines, or AT THE VERY LEAST learn about our history, our culture, and our ways of thinking FROM THE FILIPINO POINT OF VIEW (or at least from the non-American standard POV). ===== Earn $$ just by receiving and reading email! http://www.resource-a-day.net/member/index.cgi?Brandon96 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ --__--__-- Message: 3 From: julian.gilmour@barclays.co.uk To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 12:12:41 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] Primitive fighting techniques Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all Has anyone on the list heard of the ancient Egyptian art of Phlthruu mpegt sruinitika? Papyrus paper was used to make enormous sacks that were then drenched in water and potential eunuch warriors were placed in them. In order to show their battlefield skills, they had to escape without the use of cutting weapons. It was deemed that the ones that couldn't manage this were incapable of protecting the pharaoh. Hence the English phrase: wait for it... " they couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag" :) I know this to be true because it came to me in dream and I once met someone from Cairo. Julian Internet communications are not secure and therefore the Barclays Group does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. Although the Barclays Group operates anti-virus programmes, it does not accept responsibility for any damage whatsoever that is caused by viruses being passed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Barclays Group. Replies to this email may be monitored by the Barclays Group for operational or business reasons. Barclays Bank PLC. Authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Mike aka Shugendo" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 14:03:06 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Is this a legitamate martial art? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sean - You didn't mention who it is that you trained with... can you give us some more info? How about some of the guys who trained back in the 60's /70's? There are a lot of people out there training in hybrid arts, always have been, and they are no more or less valid than something that is 100's of years old... for the most part. It's when they start getting weird or cult-like that the real issues arise for most MA's. Looking forward to learning more... Michael A. Krivka Training Director, Martial Arts Koncepts http://www.martialartskoncepts.com Phone: 301/404-2571 --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 10:17:41 -0500 From: ulfhead@integrity.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] wrong spelling of Filipino terms by Americans Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Leo, No disrespect meant by Blaise I am sure. I understand that for many their language is inseparably tied to their culture. As an American I do not really have this problem because we do not have an American language, as it were, but merely the English language being the “official” language for us. My family came from Scandinavia (looooong ago) and sadly to say we have not retained our language of origin. But that is another story. Nevertheless, I will forward your concerns to Mr. Loong and ask him to respond when he can. This same issue has also been discussed in great detail here as well. If you search the archives here you will see the discussion that took place several months ago. Your concerns are legitimate to be sure; however, I can not give you the answers you deserve regarding this issue. I have never been, nor claim to be, a linguist or even one who can do justice to your language. I am an American who trains in several arts including FMA. If you want data and details on the combative aspects of the systems themselves I can give you that no problem. As for the correct usage of the names, etc… I will have to let Blaise answer that one. If you want you can contact him through www.boneheadllc.com. Again, I will ask him to answer these questions here on the digest as there are perhaps many others who want and/or deserve to hear the response as well. Thanks. - Tyrkon Lawson - --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] wrong spelling of Filipino terms by Americans Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 12:04:16 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net While I agree with the gist of what you're saying, I think it only fair to point out that we haven't done that well with Chinese/Japanese (or other) languages either. Not that that's an excuse - just an observation. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leo Salinel" To: Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 11:35 PM Subject: [Eskrima] wrong spelling of Filipino terms by Americans > I hope people concerned won't take it personally, but > if you Americans intend to use Filipino terms for your > hybrid FMA-sourced or FMA-influenced arts/systems, > please AT THE VERY LEAST get the grammar and syntax > right! I know I'll be infuriating some ED members who > are "utak pulbura" (a Tagalog term meaning literally > "gunpowder-minded or gunpower brains", in other words, > who shoot off with anger first before thinking, or > without thinking at all). > > Patayin Estilo? Should be "Estilong Patayan". Silat > Sabungin? Should be "Silat Sabungan" or "Sabungang > Silat". Now, I do not question Blaise Loong's ability > with the martial arts or his personality, but please, > people, let's be accurate with our conjugation, > syntax, etc. If the Americans could be accurate with > their Americanized systems like "Kenpo Karate", > "Kara-ho Kenpo", "Kajukenbo", "Wun Hop Kuen Do", etc., > then why not with FMA? It's really irritating when > you're Filipino and Americans treat your language with > less respect than they give Chinese and Japanese > syntax/spelling/etc. and take too much liberties with > their Tagalog. > > I'm sure it would be a great help if you guys come to > the Philippines, or AT THE VERY LEAST learn about our > history, our culture, and our ways of thinking FROM > THE FILIPINO POINT OF VIEW (or at least from the > non-American standard POV). > > ===== > Earn $$ just by receiving and reading email! http://www.resource-a-day.net/member/index.cgi?Brandon96 > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. > http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 7 From: argyll@comcast.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:20:37 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Historical Sword Arts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net As long as we are on the topic of historical sword instruction, folks in the U.S. might want to check out the 5th Annual International Swordfighting and Martial Arts Convention being held in Lansing, Michigan from August 6-8. Interesting variety of classes being taught by some great instructors. Details here: http://artofcombat.org/public/thespis/Convention/aocflyer.htm Best regards, Jake --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 14:02:01 -0400 From: Buz Grover To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Kettlebells, Cutting Practice, & Crunch Time Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thanks to all who responded to me question about kettlebells. I recently bought some mountain acreage; looking for a way to get in a comprehensive workout without having to head down the hill. Want something that, if I leave out in the shed, won't get gummed up by some exposure to nature, and that has a small foot print. Kettlebells look to fit the bill, but seem overpriced. I liked the bag of rice idea someone suggested, though I expect the neighborhood black bears will, too. As that may be, perhaps improvisation is the way to go until I find a kettlebell type device that doesn't offend my frugal sensibilities. Wanted to chime in on cutting practice, too. Think the folks who talked about butchering game are on the right track: nothing does as good a job or replicating skin, muscle, fat and sinew as does skin muscle, fat and sinew. After all my years in the restaurant business, moreover, I am something of a cutting practice snob. The first thing you notice about a new guy in a kitchen is how he handles a blade, and it ain't all choppin' lettuce. Lobster tail, carving inside round, prepping ginger, cutting Mahi-Mahi, paring garnishes, and so on all require vastly different knife skills. In other words, there isn't a single one size fits all type of cutting practice out there that will comprehensively teach you how to use a blade. Indeed, insights come from unexpected sources. I use to practice thrusts on bales of recycled cardboard my kitchens generated. For reasons too arcane to explain lids from 3 quart (#10) cans often end up in boxes that are then bailed. So there I'd be, thrusting away at this big bundle of cardboard, and my blade would hit a buried steel can lid. Fun would ensue: my hand might ride up the handle to the blade, or I'd wrench my wrist, or the blade would get hung up in the lid, or something else educational would occur. Bottom line is that I learned fully committed thrusts against unknown targets is not a very good idea. Though most folks don't walk around with #10 can lids in their clothing, cell phones, wallets, et al can unexpectedly replicate a similar learning experience that no practice target assembled with materials from the Home Depot will prepare you for. I'm curious what Gat Puno Abon Baet thinks about cutting practice. I know, sir, you've spent a lot of time in the kitchen; how do you have your students learn to cut with a live blade? Finally, I'd like to thank SPC Taimangalo for his dispatch from the front lines. We don't very often get to hear the unfiltered voice of a front line soldier. My respects to you sir, and to everyone serving in Old Ironsides. Regards, Buz Grover --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "abreton@juno.com" Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 18:53:14 GMT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: GM Cacoy Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Does he have a web site with seminar information? I'm planning a trip to the mainland and always wanted to go to one of his seminars, but obviously I have to plan weeks/months in advance. Andy -- "Mike Casto" wrote: And will be at Reading Academy in Reading, OH on Saturday, July 17 and at Asian Fighting Arts in Dayton, OH on July 18. http://asianfightingarts.com Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brett Hand" To: Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 10:03 PM Subject: [Eskrima] Re: GM Cacoy > Gm Cacoy will also be doing a seminar at Richard Bustillo's IMB Academy on 6/13/04. The IMB is located in Torrance Ca. www.imbacademy.com or (310) 787- 8793 > > > Brett P. Hand > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: GM Cacoy To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 17:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Does he have a web site with seminar information? I'm planning a trip to the mainland and always wanted to go to one of his seminars, but obviously I have to plan weeks/months in advance. > Not to my knowledge... I may see him again this week. I'll ask, but he usually just starts telling me verbally, off the top of his head. His memory is amazing. Mine is far less so... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest