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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Regarding the thrust question (Steven Lefebvre) 2. Re: Aaron,No hard feelings (Aaron Alejandro) 3. Bahala Na - "Come What May" (Aaron Alejandro) 4. functional training tools (Van Harn, Steve) 5. Handkerchiefs (Van Harn, Steve) 6. Rocky, he must be talkin' to youse (Marc Denny) 7. Could anybody tell me about training in the Northwest? (John Titus) 8. Re: Regarding the thrust question (steven ledwith) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Steven Lefebvre" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 12:05:38 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Regarding the thrust question Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Everyone, In a recent post: “ I have recently viewed a DVD VDrom a well known Kali group where they show thrusting the blade into the ribs in an odd grip and then twisting the blade to get through the rib. I my opinion and experience this is not necessary, it looks cool but is no more effective than a normal thrust for going through the rib bones. If the pressure is really on most will just pump the blade however they can.” If this is in relation to the Sayoc Kali DVD # 3 of 9 Vital Template the technique utilizing the thrust is not concerned with looking cool or about getting through the rib with the twist. Actually the twisting motion creates a wider sucking wound, as well as assist in getting a more accurate strike through layers of clothing, jackets etc. Also, that same strike is demonstrated on the new Karambit DVD on a test slab of meat/ribs, and went cleanly through without any difficulty. Let me know if you have any other questions. Gumagalang Guro Steve L. www.Sayoc.com www.Bujinkandojo.net --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Aaron Alejandro" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Aaron,No hard feelings Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 07:33:27 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Steven, Thanks for the reply. I appreciate your follow up. Aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: "steven ledwith" To: "eskrimadigest" Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 7:50 PM Subject: [Eskrima] Aaron,No hard feelings > Hey Aaron, no hard feelings on this subject either, > we just have different opinions. I'm sure there are > some who don't want to think about or talk about this > subject right now but some of us do. > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70/year > http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Aaron Alejandro" To: Cc: "Harley Elmore" , Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 09:03:02 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Bahala Na - "Come What May" Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net When systems work! Most martial arts are rich in heritage, tradition and intrigue. One such FMA is being taught in North Texas on the weekend of June 12 – 13, 2004. Bahala Na Seminar (Giron Arnis Escrima). More info: www.warriorswaytx.com/seminarsomera.htm How important was Mr. Giron to our FMA heritage? Here’s what Guro Dan Inosanto had to say: "The first graduate of Giron Arnis Escrima. In the late 1960's I had the pleasure of training under Grand Master Giron when very few people knew of the existence of Escrima. I found Grand Master Giron to be very humble, generous, patient and a giving instructor both in time and knowledge. One of the highlights of my martial arts career occurred on December 26, 1973, when I became the first student to graduate from his system. I truly admire and love this man. I consider him to be my 'second father'." The seminar is being taught by Grandmaster Tony Somera who became the head of the system following the passing of Grand Master Emertius Leo M. Giron. Grandmaster Somera was chosen by Leo Giron and trained to carry on the effectiveness of the art. About Grand Master Emertius Leo M. Giron: On September 24, 1942 he was inducted into the United States Army and would be attached to the 2nd Filipino Infantry Regiment and would later be assigned to the famous 978th Signal Group and The Allied Intelligence Bureau. This was a select group of men that served as secret operatives for General Douglas Macarthur. Then Sergeant Leo Giron would be dropped behind enemy lines by submarine nearly one full year before any America Soldier would set foot on Philippine soil. It was there assignment to search out the enemy, extending lines of communication, securing vital weather data and obtaining military information and not to be detected by the enemy. Sergeant Giron lead a group of American and Philippine soldier's through the most hazardous conditions of Would War II deep in the jungles of the Philippines. Many encounters are documented in the United States Library of Congress in Washington DC. Because of his contributions during World War II Sergeant Giron would receive, The Bronze Star Medal, The Philippine Liberation Ribbon, The Asiatic Pacific Campaign Medal, The American Campaign Medal, the World War II Victory Medal and a letter of commendation ordered by the President of the United States of America. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Van Harn, Steve" To: "Eskrima Digest (E-mail)" Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 09:33:50 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] functional training tools Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Since we've touched on the subject of functional training tools, a simple but cheap one to make is the rubber medicine ball. For which BTW, there has been an increase in use of the medicine balls that are made to bounce similar to a basket ball of varying weights. I predict it will become another of the short lived fads such as the Pilates gear one sees at Target(Nothing wrong with Pilates, it's great. Problem is consumers think gear will do the work for them). They're now available for a premium price at better sports retailers. The local trainer I get advice from spent an entire summer partner training with an NFL pro(guess who was better conditioned) with the homemade medicine ball and the report back after the season began was very enthusiastic. Good enough for me. An old basketball filled with sand will weigh about 20lbs. Cut a hole about 2" in diameter and fill. Then shove in a patch slightly bigger and another on the outside and use rubber cement to seal the two together. I made a set of two out of small playground ball about 6" in diameter that weighed 6lbs each. I under filled them so I could mold them to be gripped easier. I use them singly or held together isometric fashion. Going through stick patterns with them will not only increase the arm and torso strength(and coordination) but also if it is done while moving thru constantly differing footwork, will work to make the upper and lower body more independent of each other. Power will definitely increase as well. Steve Van Harn Arnis Sikaran - Jornales System Sandatahan --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Van Harn, Steve" To: "Eskrima Digest (E-mail)" Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 10:09:30 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Handkerchiefs Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Phil Hurcum wrote: I remember once on of my teachers was showing us how to fight with a sash/handkerchief and he was explaining you could tie a rock or a large nut into the corner to give it weight. He went on to say he hit himself on the head and almost knocked himself out! This type of handkerchief also makes a great openly concealed weapon stuffed in the back pocket. Sew a 5/10/25cent coin in the tip. Or a bb/pellet. Roll the handkerchief and tie a big knot in the middle and a small knot on the end opposite to the coin which will allow you to hold it between index and middle finger. Bring the other end up between the thumb and index. The large knot will cause a whip effect on the loaded end. A good snap will provide the same snapping sound. :-) Believe me this will carve flesh very easily not to mention what it could do to the weapon hand or eyes of your opponent. Try it on drywall. I have been told if you sew a plastic curtain weight in, it will pass airport security. Just a simple snot rag. Not that I promote doing this. A word of caution per Phil's comment. Have your live hand up in guard, wear goggles, or avert your eyes until you are very familiar with the recoil. Brandt Hassan Ali of Silat Zulfikari has a great syllabus for this. Steve Van Harn Arnis Sikaran - Jornales System Sandatahan --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 10:29:27 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Rocky, he must be talkin' to youse Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: Leo wrote > I hope people concerned won't take it personally, but > if you Americans intend to use Filipino terms for your > hybrid FMA-sourced or FMA-influenced arts/systems, > please AT THE VERY LEAST get the grammar and syntax > right! I know I'll be infuriating some ED members who > are "utak pulbura" (a Tagalog term meaning literally > "gunpowder-minded or gunpower brains", in other words, > who shoot off with anger first before thinking, or > without thinking at all). > > Patayin Estilo? Should be "Estilong Patayan". Silat > Sabungin? Should be "Silat Sabungan" or "Sabungang > Silat". Now, I do not question Blaise Loong's ability > with the martial arts or his personality, but please, > people, let's be accurate with our conjugation, > syntax, etc. If the Americans could be accurate with > their Americanized systems like "Kenpo Karate", > "Kara-ho Kenpo", "Kajukenbo", "Wun Hop Kuen Do", etc., > then why not with FMA? It's really irritating when > you're Filipino and Americans treat your language with > less respect than they give Chinese and Japanese > syntax/spelling/etc. and take too much liberties with > their Tagalog. > > I'm sure it would be a great help if you guys come to > the Philippines, or AT THE VERY LEAST learn about our > history, our culture, and our ways of thinking FROM > THE FILIPINO POINT OF VIEW (or at least from the > non-American standard POV). Woof Leo: I appreciate your point and empathize with your frustration. Speaking for myself, I would LOVE to spell words correctly, but with so many languages and so many disputes over terminology and spelling of terminology etc, it does get discouraging. My personal solution is to use English except where a particular teacher used a particular term AND I happen to remember it. It seems much safer for this clueless doggie. Until Filipinos come to agreement amongst themselves, I suspect your mission of getting to get Americans to get it right will succeed shortly after Sisyphus gets that rock up the hill. yip, Crafty --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "John Titus" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 10:45:47 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Could anybody tell me about training in the Northwest? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I'm considering a move to either Seattle or Portland. Does anybody out there know a spot to train FMA? Please feel free to e-mail me directly to save list space- "rattankid@hotmail.com" Thank you. _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 12:37:17 -0700 (PDT) From: steven ledwith Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Regarding the thrust question To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net First let me state that I highly recommend the Sayoc's products, the "3 of 9" dvd is great. I don't have the dvd handy and I don't recall that the point of thrusting that way being explained the way you have. Going by memory I thought that they said the purpose of thrusting that way was to "split" the rib, but I'm not sure. I don't doubt that the thrust went through easily, that's what I have been saying, it is easy to pierce ribs. I don't agree with it making a " sucking wound, as well as assist in getting a more accurate strike" . Once the pluera and lung is perforated the lung collapses quickly and no more "sucking", the blood is coming out. But blood loss is blood loss, it doesn't matter if you are bleeding out or blood is filling the thorax you are still dying. Thanks for the clarification Guru Lefebvre. --- Steven Lefebvre wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > In a recent post: > “ I have recently viewed a DVD VDrom a well known > Kali group where they show > thrusting the blade into the ribs in an odd grip and > then twisting the blade > to get through the rib. I my opinion and experience > this is not necessary, > it looks cool but is no more effective than a normal > thrust for going > through the rib bones. If the pressure is really on > most will just pump the > blade however they can.” > > If this is in relation to the Sayoc Kali DVD # 3 of > 9 Vital Template the > technique utilizing the thrust is not concerned with > looking cool or about > getting through the rib with the twist. Actually the > twisting motion creates > a wider sucking wound, as well as assist in getting > a more accurate strike > through layers of clothing, jackets etc. Also, that > same strike is > demonstrated on the new Karambit DVD on a test slab > of meat/ribs, and went > cleanly through without any difficulty. > > Let me know if you have any other questions. > Gumagalang > Guro Steve L. > www.Sayoc.com > www.Bujinkandojo.net > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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