Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 03:01:50 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #208 - 2 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Knife In Lead Hand (eric.taimanglo@us.army.mil) 2. Re: knife in lead hand (Ken Ingram) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 16:28:53 -0400 From: eric.taimanglo@us.army.mil To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Knife In Lead Hand Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net It's my understanding that prison knifing relies heavily on ambush tactics, just like a sucker punch, but with a sharp object in your fist. The man you speak of probably advocates holding the knife in the rear for the purposes of concealment. Plus, it seems to me that if the intial entry had "Murphy's" blessing, the lead arm could be used as either a shield, a pin or check, pretty much everything we learn in FMA when it comes to the use of the unencumbered hand in conjunction with the use of an object in the other. I have also heard of accounts where cons taped or in some other fashion fastened thier shivs to their hands, making them disarm-proof... though this practice was probably only done in the event of a all-out war on the cell block; not too smart in the event of an ambush knifing; one would want to get rid of the evidence quickly. 59 days and a wake up, folks, and it's back to the land of the big PX!!!! ----ERIC --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:08:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken Ingram To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] knife in lead hand Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I have this one. Don Pentecost: Put 'Em Down, Take 'Em Out - Knife fighting techniques from Folsom Prison Reminds me of a book I have a called "Prison's Bloody Iron: Deadly Knife Fighting Tactics Revealed" By Harold J. Jenks and Michael H. Brown Paladin Press seems to carry quite a bit of books along the lines of real discussions of fighting. Mike Brown is former 101 and 82nd Airborne. He also wrote a few legal books under the Title "Erwin Rommell School of Law" and has a website http://mikebrownsolutions.com Another "happy" source of discussion is the video "Surviving Edged Weapons" directed toward police training. It features Leo Gaje and Dan Inosanto expressing some of the more factual elements of being faced with a knife attack. --Peace On Tue, 1 Jun 2004, Phil Hurcum wrote: > Don Pentecost, Knife Fighting in Folsom Prison or some > such title. I found it to be a very good book. > I don't know if the author was what he claimed to be > but I liked the book for the same reason you said. It > was short. I found it direct and to the point. No > fleureta, just simple, straight techniques. > As far as a lead goes, when we spar we are finding the > lead is transitional. As it shoud be for maximisation > of movement. Using the empty hand forward to > protect/clear/sweep the path for the blade hand works > well. Using the knife hand to attack and set up heavy > impact blows with the empty hand works well too. > Phil > > > ===== > > Phil Hurcum > .:Head Instructor:. > Arkangel Martial Arts and Combat Sciences > "Honour, Duty, Obligation, and Discipline" > > www.arkangelmartialarts.com > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! 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