Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 03:01:51 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #213 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Bucks and Bozos (Buz Grover) 2. Missing The Point (Al Sardinas) 3. re: result of sparring vs "traditionalist" (excalibur921@ctnet.net) 4. Re: Re: lead hand or not (Ray Terry) 5. Blades (Ray Terry) 6. System - vs - Method (ulfhead@integrity.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 19:16:41 -0400 From: Buz Grover To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Bucks and Bozos Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Lotta interesting threads going. Here's my .02: Buck knives carried ala Dukes of Hazard were pretty common when I wore one so no one gave 'em a second glance. I use to wear a Gerber Mark I or Kershaw Trooper inside the waistband behind the Buck; made it through several frisks via that technique. No one looked for a knife concealed behind a knife. Talking about Buck 110s caused me to recall another carry technique of the era favored by bikers and wannabes: the suicide drop. Basically this was a fancy way of saying the sheath was worn on the belt upside-down so that when it was unsnapped the knife fell into your hand. Never made much sense to me and the method seems to have gone out of vogue. As for carry methods for folders with clips . . . how I carry what depends on the situation. I like the appendix carry, but I spend a lot of my day flying a chair; it's hard to get at an appendix carry knife when sitting and it can be uncomfortable too. When at the desk or driving I like the blade clipped to my pocket, though, as mentioned, there are circumstances when the clip does a little too much advertising. When that's the case I usually just drop the knife into the pocket and go about my business. As Animal mentioned, there are numerous ways to monitor a blade in your pocket and ready it for use. Often times as I'm ambling along appearing to be deep in thought I'm actually moving a blade from one loose carry position to another. When backpacking I usually carry a machete that I do trail maintenance with; that penchant evolved into a drill: whenever I'm walking to and from the car or otherwise out and about and encounter a piece of vegetation in need of trimming I'll do so. The rules for the drill are that I can't break stride when trimming, have to target accurately, have to draw from concealed carry and return to concealed carry, and no one can see me do it. It's proven to be a pretty good way to get use to quickly manipulating a knife while contending with random targets. No one has tried to grab a knife clipped to my pocket so I 'spose I can't speak to that issue specifically. I don't like folks impinging on my space so I'm not sure many get close enough to snag something from my pocket. Have dealt with several sorts "coup counting" nitwits over the years; think I've usually used 'em as training opportunities. Remember this one bozo in a traditional MA class that use to like to snag peoples pants leg off of front kicks while sparring and then make them bounce around on one leg. He was a cocky SOB who wore his ego on his sleeve. I fed him a low, stately snap kick while sparring one day, which he promptly snagged. The first art I trained was Judo; soon as he grabbed my leg I turned it into a very sloppy two leg stomach throw. He never went fishing for my gi again. If I knew someone was skulking around looking to snag my carry blade I'd be thinking about an educational way to turn it around on him, too. Regards, Buz Grover --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Al Sardinas" To: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:51:44 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Missing The Point Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Pugil/Ollie Batts, In my instructor Gat Puno's last email he wrote that you provided a great synopsis of your country's distinguished history. I agree with him. However, I thinked you missed the point of his original email. Quite simply, Gat Puno expressed that Filipinos absorbed what was useful from the Western fencing arts, incorporated into their own arts and made it superior to the original Western art. As written, Gat Puno stands behind this 100 %. Also in Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #207, Guro Gary's experience with Western fencing supports this concept. As far as the history of Britain is concerned, Mr Batts, you are a true patriot and it would probably be a pleasure to go into detail on the subject of your country but getting back to the point of my instructor - FMA is superior to Western Fencing. Especially, in my opinion that angular is superior to linear in fighting. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of The Garimot System of Arnis --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:26:30 -0500 From: excalibur921@ctnet.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] re: result of sparring vs "traditionalist" Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net it was with good intentions that quick footwork and disturbingly fast hands made the quickest impression. i believe the most lasting impression was left on a gentleman who was the most vocal about the lack of tradition and lack of the the color of the rope around my waist, he was the most affected when we sparred. the avid tournament competitor that he is, began in the side straddle stance. however, within moments of beginning the match i had already hit him numerous times and on multiple points about his arms, neck and face. he had no response nor any time for response. he became even more overwhelmed when he was told that i had never closed my fists the entire time. as i said my points of interest had been made. i hope that all my friends of the FMA have as successful experience, when their metal is tested. respects, guro mike --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: lead hand or not To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:56:43 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > ... So, I stood > up and put out my right hand. I had my right foot > forward. Now if I had a weapon in my right hand, it > would be in the lead hand. Good. Now step back with > your right foot. Or, zone forward with your left leg. > Is your right hand still leading? I mean, the point > is, doesn't this change constantly as you move. > Unless you only shuffle thus always keeping your > dominant or weapon leg and hand forward, so your > weapon always leads. Does anyone really do that? And another thing... :) Try moving so that your blade hand is always back, but you step forward... left, right, left, right. If your right foot is forward and your blade is in your right hand you must rotate (i.e. coil) your waist. In this position you can protect the blade with your live hand yet still uncoil to gain advantage when it is time to reach out and 'touch' someone. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:14:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Blades Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > of your country but getting back to the point of my instructor - FMA is > superior to Western Fencing. Especially, in my opinion that angular is > superior to linear in fighting. Let us not forget that current day sport fencing is nothing like the rapier and dagger Spanish fencing that was so effective back in the early days of Spain's occupation of the PI. The Spanish carried blades on a daily basis far longer than did other Europeans, which led to their advanced sword skills. I suspect that the Spanish and the Filipinos influenced each other as both were interested in improving their skills with the blade. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:49:31 -0500 From: ulfhead@integrity.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] System - vs - Method Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Marc Animal MacYoung said, "Method, method, method." With the functional definitions you gave to each (system and method) I'd have to say that what I was given a taste of was a "method" and not a system. Thanks for the clarification. It was composed of some very basic, but seemingly effective and brutal, moves. Nothing as developed as you would find in an FMA system. But none the less I liked the straight forward approach just as I liked Don Pentecost's "method" (Right?) :D as presented in his book. Paladin should wake up IMO. Thanks for the great data and response. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest