Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 03:01:49 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #216 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. How do you defend against this? (Phil Hurcum) 2. instructor in cincinnati area (Howard Wilson) 3. Whiiping Hands-Trapping Feet Seminar w/ Sifu Dan Donzella (Absolom Jones) 4. Re: How do you defend against this? (Milt Tinkoff) 5. Missing the point (Ollie Batts) 6. Missing the point (Ollie Batts) 7. Eskrima Spanish influence (Ollie Batts) 8. Carnage and Culture (eric.taimanglo@us.army.mil) 9. Re: Eskrima Spanish influence (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 06:32:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Phil Hurcum To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] How do you defend against this? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Seriously though, what do you do? http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040605/ap_on_re_us/bulldozer_rampage&cid=519&ncid=716 Phil ===== Phil Hurcum .:Head Instructor:. Arkangel Martial Arts and Combat Sciences "Honour, Duty, Obligation, and Discipline" www.arkangelmartialarts.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 10:07:42 -0400 From: Howard Wilson To: eskrima digest Subject: [Eskrima] instructor in cincinnati area Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi All, I'm looking for an FMA / IMA instructor in the Cincinnati, OH area. Any references from the list would be a great place to start. I've got 20+ years in the TKD arts and have been reading this list for a few years and am looking for a new start. Thanks, Howard --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Absolom Jones" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 15:14:33 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Whiiping Hands-Trapping Feet Seminar w/ Sifu Dan Donzella Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello to All, Hello to All, Sifu Dan Donzella will be conducting a seminar on the Indoesian art of Whipping Hands and Trapping Feet. Sifu Donzella is the Chief Instructor of the Liu Seong Ch'uan Fa-Pentjak Silat Association which is located in Syracuse, NY. This system is based on the instruction of the late GM Willem Reeders. The seminar will be held on Sunday, July 11, 2004 at Erie Community College/ South Campus, 4041 Southwestern Blvd., Orchard Park, New York, from 2 - 6pm. The seminar fee will be $45 if paid before July 8 and $55 at the door. Group discount rates are available upon request. Group sizes are 3-5, 6-9 and 10+. This seminar will explore some unique ways of controlling and shutting down a physical attack against yourself. The Liu Seong Ch'uan Fa/Pantjak Silat System as taught by Sifu Daniel, is derived from the instructional concepts of the late GM Willem Reeders, a Dutch Indonesian- Chinese martial arts master, who was also a decorated Indoenesian war hero of WWII, fighting against the Japanese occupation of that country. Sifu Donzella is a second gneration student and Instructor of the Liu Seong System. His instrucor was Sifu Gary Galvin, who studied the art under GM Reeders in Dunkirk, NY in the 1960's. For more information please contact Sifu Donzella through the following e-mail address: . Absolom _________________________________________________________________ Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 4 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] How do you defend against this? From: Milt Tinkoff Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 01:52:39 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >>>>> "Phil" == Phil Hurcum writes: Phil> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040605/ap_on_re_us/bulldozer_rampage&cid=519&ncid=716 Phil> Seriously though, what do you do? Use another bulldozer? -milt --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 17:52:51 +0100 From: Ollie Batts To: Subject: [Eskrima] Missing the point Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In reply to Al, I thought your instructor does very well speaking for himself Al ;o) But, just so you know it, I DIDN'T misunderstand his point at all. The thing is, YOU misunderstand my point, being that MODERN-DAY Fencing is not the same as it was in a previous age - a point also made by Ray Terry. In addition, there were many differing points of view, throughout the West, as to which method was best at any given time, anyway. Different Fencing Masters, in the same and different countries across Europe, were constantly evaluating and arguing with one another as to which was the best way to use different weapons. Everyone had a point of view (just as you and I do!) and thought their way was better than everyone else's. Having a single contest against one modern-day Fencer doesn't prove anything about an earlier and entirely different method. It doesn't really prove that much about the efficiency and effectiveness of the modern-day system either, as I am sure you can also understand! Pugil --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 18:08:26 +0100 From: Ollie Batts To: Subject: [Eskrima] Missing the point Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ok Bobby, What was ineffective about the Spanish methods in the first place? How did the Filipino's make "...it more effective."? How come the Spaniards, having used bladed weapons for so long, couldn't figure out for themselves that their system was either ineffective, or could have been improved upon? Are you therefore suggesting that the Filipino is more intelligent than the Spaniard? Pugil Message: 10 From: "Bobby Indas" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Missing The Point Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 19:50:19 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "I agree with Gat Puno's point. The spaniards had their methods of fighting (fencing) but The Filipinos made it more effective." --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 18:20:57 +0100 From: Ollie Batts To: Subject: [Eskrima] Eskrima Spanish influence Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net What is the mpeg supposed to be showing and demonstrating to us Stephen? Pugil Message: 3 From: "Stephen Lamade" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 01:31:43 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Spanish Influence Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Leo Salinel wrote: “Note also, the wide open positioning of the espada and the daga vis-a-vis the usually in tight weapon ready position of most Visayan eskrima styles.” See for example: http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze4fs8i/espada_y_daga.htm Best, Steve Lamade --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 16:41:42 -0400 From: eric.taimanglo@us.army.mil To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Carnage and Culture Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Mr Harris, IMO, when it boils down to it, war is war... and when war is boiled down, it is the same on both sides... each believing the other side is wrong, that thier side is the one with the right reasons for fighting, suffering, and dying. War, in the Western World, evolving from Greco Roman times? Political structure and technology can make or break a war, but citizenship? There is a very fine line between a citizen and the citizen who fights on behalf of his fellow citizen. I don't think Mr Hanson can be that specific. Kinda like how some MA's still look to the Shaolin Temple as the "Garden Of Eden" of the martial arts. I don't think so. War's been evolving right along with us ever since Bungo Brian The Caveman decided that he'd like to take his neighbor's wife/pet sabretooth/crops/hot new mammoth bone necklace, and his neighbor, Nicky Neanderthal said, "We'll just see about that." It's about dominion and an entity's desire to assert itself over others; whether it be yo u and a psycho in a abandoned parking lot, or in the Middle East, taking shots and being shot at by Shiite Militia. As far as superiority in warfare goes, well, I guess you are right in that, by looking at a map, you can see that every nation on earth is there, more often than not, because it fought for it's right to exist. What you don't see on a map is the face of warfare in the 21st century... it is a lean, very mean, raging beast... some call it "low intensity conflict", or "limited objective warfare"... you can't look your enemy in the eye and recognize him as such. I guess what I'm getting at is if you want to provide accurate commentary or judgement on war, enlist and fight. I don't have a college degree in international relations or history or political science. But I think I know a little more about warfare than most PHDs. As for your view of "superior" American warfare, I have three letters for you and Mr. Hanson....IED. SPC Eric Taimanglo, 1st Armored Division --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Eskrima Spanish influence To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 12:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > What is the mpeg supposed to be showing and demonstrating to us Stephen? Both players appeared to be very extended in their movements, not very tight and crisp. On purpose? Ray "not that I could do much better" Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest