Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:13:02 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #229 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Australian Ironwood Sticks (Stephen Lamade) 2. RE: RE: BADMINTON (A. RANEY) 3. PHILIPPINE Independence Celebration June 12 Saturday (Bob) 4. weapons (David Eke) 5. Re: training in a sporting environment (Patrick Davies) 6. RE: FMA/JKD in North Carolina (dwayne howie) 7. Summer BBQ and Pig Roast (Phil Hurcum) 8. Final Thought and thanks/Marc Mac Young (GatPuno@aol.com) 9. WEKAF Gear (steve kohn) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Stephen Lamade" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 04:06:08 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Australian Ironwood Sticks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I just received a shipment of wooden sticks and daggers from Mark Hoza. Mark is based in Australia and makes parts for concert flutes. Mark works with Australian ironwood, a dense, heavy wood with properties similar to kamagong, so I contacted him about a year ago and asked him if he could do some custom work for me. Not only did he make exactly what I asked for (I sent him a blank to copy for me), but he's also a hell of a nice guy and very accomodating. I can't recommend Mark's products highly enough - his work is simply outstanding. http://www.WoodenFluteMaker.com Best, Steve Lamade --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "A. RANEY" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] RE: BADMINTON Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 04:51:27 +0000 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Many athletes cross-train to improve their sport performance (boxers doing rowing, swimming; golfers doing tai chi; competetive marksmen doing yoga; etc.) I think raquet sports would certainly be benificial for a stick fighter. Has anyone tried, just for fun, to play a game using sticks instead of a raquet (this is why I suggested badminton instead of tennis or squash - at least you have a chance) ? Try it while maintaining some semblance of form and technique... >From: "Bobby Indas" >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [Eskrima] RE: BADMINTON >Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 16:52:58 -0400 > >Andy, > >I used to play badminton when I was in high school and to tell you the >truth there are lots of things you can adopt from that sport. 1. Eye-hand >coordination (you are correct). 2. Jumping from point A to point B. 3. >Lastly – the stances. Unlike tennis that you lower your body a little bit >to even up your eyes almost to the net. Most of time when I play I used >the L-shape stance with my right leg at the back and switching them when >receiving. Also, there is one sport that we Filipinos knows and are >familiar with. The “Sepak-Takraw”. Think of it as a volleyball using your >feet, legs and head (mostly feet). The net? Is almost as the same height >as the badminton. There I developed my stances, balance and leg muscles. >Hope it this helps. > >Bobby >> >>Andy _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee® Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Bob" To: Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:40:56 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] PHILIPPINE Independence Celebration June 12 Saturday Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Gat Abon, It would be nice to see the celebration of The Philippine Independence in Miami but I am about 5 to 6 hours travel going there and back. I am surely going to miss the occasion. A year ago, we had a huge gathering for all Eskrimadors in Cebu City and put up a big show of the "reenactment" of "The Battle of Mactan" in Lapu-Lapu City, Mactan. We shared lots of ideas and food (you know us...friends, food who knows what is next). In addition, there I heard about your system from several people I know that who knows you and your family when they heard I am leaving for St. Augustine, FL. It would be a great honor to see you in person... Anyway, salamat sa 'yong pag-imbita (thank you for the invitation) at kaawaan ka ng Panginoon (may God Bless you). Have Fun. Gumagalang, Bobby Indas Balintawak Style -----Original Message----- Message: 6 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:23:02 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] PHILIPPINE Indepence Celebration June 12 Saturday Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello, hello in Miami and Ft Lauderdale Area in Florida, We are inviting everyone to watch the Philippines Independence Day Celebration. The whole day appear to Celebrate the first Independence Day of the Philippines from Spanish occupation. June 12, 1898. The Celebration will includes, Filipino Fold dances, Filipino Song, Music, and our Garimot Arnis and Harimaw Buno demonstration, which going to be at 2PM in the afternoon, 15 of my student will do the Demo and I will the last to give the final Demo, which is always surprise even to my student. So dont miss it and I hope to see you there, enjoy the Filipino food and Music. Games etc. N. Giffing Park, 2nd Avenue NE and West Dixie Highway, N. Miami, Florida call me if you got lost Cell. 305 788-4403 Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet GAT Group International World Harimaw Buno Federation --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "David Eke" To: Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:27:41 +1000 Subject: [Eskrima] weapons Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet said: >I am not trying to make everyone believed on FMA, the only thing that I >want them to see and know is there FMA that stand to all type of attack, >from weapon to empty hand. What's the defense against a Barrett M82A3 from 900 metres? This is not just a facetious comment but the reality is, there is some weapon technologies you just cannot beat with FMA. >FMA is used by the Filipino for hundreds of yeard to protect their loves >ones and country. From Filipino -Spanish war, Filipino -American war, World >war II against the Japanese and the short live invasion of Dutch to the >Philippines on 1700. I understand Filipino pride in their country and their indigenous martial arts but the reality is that in WW2 and the Filipino-American war the Filipino people where soundly beaten militarily. This takes nothing away from their individual feat of arms and raw courage, however, technologically superior forces beat them. If you look at the Fil-Am war, the small pockets of resistance that were still left after the main uprising was quelled was more about inaccessabilty of the terrain not the Moro's skill at arms. The Juramentado "running amok" didn't show any special feat of arms just a willingness to die for what they believed in (sound familiar). Thinking these things demonstrate something special is silly? --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:06:54 +0100 From: "Patrick Davies" To: "eskrima digest" Subject: [Eskrima] Re: training in a sporting environment Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Aaron Alejandro: No way....in true application. Kick in the "fight" or "flight" and the changes a body goes through to prepare for confrontation and one can quickly discover a MA school and a true life encounter are not the same and cannot be trained the same. Thanks for the comments Aaron. Let me be devils advocate. The delivery systems here would be striking and grappling. Let us say for example we take martial artist A who is training in boxing, muay thai and bjj and for the purpose of the forum is also doing some FMA. Martial artist B is doing FMA If you had to put money on the outcome of an encounter between the two, where would you put it and why? Ok, I know the information is limited what can we deduce from the two martial artists? A is definitely an athlete in that he's training contact systems that encourage a sporting environment that is - within safe parameters - as close to fighting as fisticuffs can be. With his FMA we may presume that he may understand the basic concepts of edged weapons. B however is training all the aspects of edged weaponry. Let us say B isn't an athlete, doesn't jog, hit pads or break sweat a lot. However B does drill over and over again. If you had to take one of these and put them forward to defend you, which would you choose? I remember Guro Inosanto referring to a stick competition where he gave a thai boxer ˝ an hour training before he went onto fight. He became the champion that day! Does that imply, I wonder, that it's easier to take the athlete and adapt him to other circumstances? Will someone who is training for real life situations (which can never be simulated properly) have the same ability to adapt? iPat --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "dwayne howie" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] FMA/JKD in North Carolina Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:33:55 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net jared, i have a school in the southern pines/pinehurst area in n.c. thats around an hour or less depending on where you are going to live in raliegh. we train in modern arnis and pekiti tirsia. contact me @ howies6@hotmail.com for directions. >From: Jared Dame >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [Eskrima] FMA/JKD in North Carolina >Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:55:03 -0700 > >Hey all I am looking for anyone that can recommend a school in North >Carolina around the Raleigh area, I am looking to move from California to >NC in the next six months and would like to meet up with others in the >practice. > >Any suggestions??? > >thanks, > >Jared Dame >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:14:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Phil Hurcum To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Summer BBQ and Pig Roast Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Hello, posting yet again. We are having our summer bbq/pig roast on July the 24th in Mission B.C. For our Southern Neighbors this is roughly 45 minutes from Bellingham, just across the bridge from Abbotsford right beside the Huntingdon/Sumas Border. We are offering a general invitation to all. But on that note we really need all interested parties to RSVP first so we can make arrangements. For those wishing to stay overnight we can help you make some arrangements. We will be fighting first and eating after.Mmmm. Pigroast There will be armoured and unarmoured fights, you can fight point, WEKAF or Full contact. sticks knives or hand to hand. I know, I remember my post from the other day.;P We are hoping some of you will come in the spirit of Banyanihan and help us celebrate what we share in common. We will be limiting the number of guests to 70 or 80 people. So anyone interested should drop me a line. While there will be soft alcoholic beverages allowed this is first and foremost a Family event. Intake should be limited to that which allows respectable behaviour. Anyone fighting will be asked to sit out if they have any drinks. One or the other. Our BBQ are usually a really good time so we decided to open this to the public this year, hope to see some of you attend. Respectfully, Phil ===== Phil Hurcum .:Head Instructor:. Arkangel Martial Arts and Combat Sciences "Honour, Duty, Obligation, and Discipline" www.arkangelmartialarts.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 8 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 16:27:09 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Final Thought and thanks/Marc Mac Young Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Personally though I tell my students not to do the stupid and dangerous > things that I have done. Because, as I have grown older I realized how much > dumb luck was an intergal part of my survival. I say this having seen many > fighters who were my superiors in that department get killed because as good > at fighting as they were, the guy standing in the shadows with a shotgun was > both sneakier and better armed. > > Marc, You never met me so you dont know what I been teaching to my student, and who am really are. Again, I dont based my word of what I have read in the book and seen in the movies or on the street. I am speaking based on my own experienced. Yes we are confident to what we have, and also aware and respect what your opponent can do harm for you. We respect that, but we intent not to think about it negative, that make your mind worry. I was taugh to think alway positive, and always guards. I personally not stupid to go against gun, off-course I will hide first, we talking here is the issue of the European Sword arts and FMA, not the whole Modern war weapon. We are not claiming we are invinceible, we also know that but we are working hard to harness ourselves with good motivated training that will keep us safe from someone will try to harm us. That the problem with this writing and stuff, they can easyly bring the topic to something else. Stick to what the subject is about. Is becoming personal, The topic is FMA vs European Fencing, swords, and other similar weapon arts. Not the Modern Warrior art that will detroy even metal. In regards of the clothing is not an issue. You mentioned all of this medieval gear that the European wear, I am referring the Filipino art abale to look where is the opening that we can iflict pain and target. Well, off-course, I would never stickfight like wearing WEKAF gear, is not realistic to me. it developed a false to the student that their techniques is okay, well to us 50/50 is not good. If you went to fight for real and both of you are using blades, 50/50 make both of you are dead. We were not satisfied to that kind of chances. I was brain wash by 12 GMA of the diffent system and either one of them, not believing in 50/50. The only good thing that I can saiy about WEKAF gear, its open a new avenue for a new Sport for the FMA. And put more easy to market the art this way, other thatn that, this padded developed a false confident and lack of timing, becaused both fighter is busy giving move hit to each other more than avoid getting hit and hit back effectively. Anyway, I like some of the point that you raised, and I will forever remember that word, and thak you for the time that you put to write that response. I will probably keep my way teaching, and let my student to decide for themselves since we are adult and we take our own responsibility, let my student take initiative to be responsible adult. the only thing I am responsible to them, is keeping them aware of the reality of the street fight. Other than that, if they were to fight, with the opponent with gun, usless they have a gun too fight gun to gun, other wise run, run hide and wait, wait till you find a window of opportunity to do some neccesary action for the situation. Keep an open mind the reality in not ending on one fight or one opponent. They can easy come back with numbers and weapons. In final, again, let me thank you for the some great thought, I hope I dont offended you in anyway, I am just speaking on my own belief about FMA. I am still stand to my principle. Just rememer there's many way to butcher a cow, and each buthcher have their own way. It does not matter, how yoiu do it and my father and other instructor of mine told me just find the fastest way. And to do this, you need to keep searching with fastest way. Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet GAT Group International --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "steve kohn" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 01:36:03 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] WEKAF Gear Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi All, I've been to WEKAF tournaments and with all due respect to the skills of Doce Pares practitioners (and I really mean that), I dont really understand the point of the competition. I was taught that limbs and joints are primary targets in the FMA's. In those competitions, an incredible amount of shots are landed and no one reacts at all. I always thought that shots to the limbs were used as a distraction to get to either head shots or grappling/throwing techniques. For my money, I think the Dog Brothers are light years ahead of everyone in terms of realistic stick fights. Ive seen Eric Knaus get in there with nothing more than baseball batting gloves (NO padding) and his formidable skill is what kept him safe (see "reality"). While that sort of thing isnt for me, theres no disputing the reality of whats happening. Its tough to stay honest with too much padding. The less you use the more real you will keep it. Having said that, Ill be staying on the sidelines at the next Dog Brothers gathering. I've gone this long without a major injury and I'm not about to start now. Respectfully to all (except you know who), Steve Kohn >From: GatPuno@aol.com >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [Eskrima] Final Thought and thanks/Marc Mac Young >Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 16:27:09 EDT > > > Personally though I tell my students not to do the stupid and dangerous > > things that I have done. Because, as I have grown older I realized how much > > dumb luck was an intergal part of my survival. I say this having seen many > > fighters who were my superiors in that department get killed because as good > > at fighting as they were, the guy standing in the shadows with a shotgun was > > both sneakier and better armed. > > > > > >Marc, > >You never met me so you dont know what I been teaching to my student, and who >am really are. Again, I dont based my word of what I have read in the book >and seen in the movies or on the street. > >I am speaking based on my own experienced. Yes we are confident to what we >have, and also aware and respect what your opponent can do harm for you. We >respect that, but we intent not to think about it negative, that make your mind >worry. I was taugh to think alway positive, and always guards. > >I personally not stupid to go against gun, off-course I will hide first, we >talking here is the issue of the European Sword arts and FMA, not the whole >Modern war weapon. We are not claiming we are invinceible, we also know that but >we are working hard to harness ourselves with good motivated training that >will keep us safe from someone will try to harm us. That the problem with this >writing and stuff, they can easyly bring the topic to something else. Stick to >what the subject is about. Is becoming personal, The topic is FMA vs European >Fencing, swords, and other similar weapon arts. Not the Modern Warrior art that >will detroy even metal. > >In regards of the clothing is not an issue. You mentioned all of this >medieval gear that the European wear, I am referring the Filipino art abale to look >where is the opening that we can iflict pain and target. Well, off-course, I >would never stickfight like wearing WEKAF gear, is not realistic to me.  it >developed a false to the student that their techniques is okay, well to us 50/50 >is not good. If you went to fight for real and both of you are using blades, >50/50 make both of you are dead. We were not satisfied to that kind of chances. >I was brain wash by 12 GMA of the diffent system and either one of them, not >believing in 50/50. > >The only good thing that I can saiy about WEKAF gear, its open a new avenue >for a new Sport for the FMA. And put more easy to market the art this way, >other thatn that, this padded developed a false confident and lack of timing, >becaused both fighter is busy giving move hit to each other more than avoid >getting hit and hit back effectively. > >Anyway, I like some of the point that you raised, and I will forever remember >that word, and thak you for the time that you put to write that response. I >will probably keep my way teaching, and let my student to decide for themselves >since we are adult and we take our own responsibility, let my student take >initiative to be responsible adult. the only thing I am responsible to them, is >keeping them aware of the reality of the street fight. Other than that, if >they were to fight, with the opponent with gun, usless they have a gun too fight >gun to gun, other wise run, run hide and wait, wait till you find a window of >opportunity to do some neccesary action for the situation. Keep an open mind >the reality in not ending on one fight or one opponent. >They can easy come back with numbers and weapons. > >In final, again, let me thank you for the some  great thought, I hope I dont >offended you in anyway, I am just speaking on my own belief about FMA. I am >still stand to my principle. > >Just rememer there's many way to butcher a cow, and each buthcher have their >own way. It does not matter, how yoiu do it and my father and other instructor >of mine told me just find the fastest way. And to do this, you need to keep >searching with fastest way. > >Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet >GAT Group International >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list,  1900 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 9 Dial-up Internet Access fights spam and pop-ups – now 3 months FREE! --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest