Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 12:35:02 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #270 - 15 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Personal motto's and motivators (Felipe Jocano) 2. RE: San Antonio Schools and Recommendations (WoodyTX) 3. RE: RE: Counter against Gwan Dao (Stephen luna) 4. AMOK!, Opinions on (GES) 5. Traditional vs Modern (Jonathan Broster) 6. Re: Re: Danzig (Phil Elmore) 7. Mottos and Danzig's Brush With Karma (B Katz) 8. Re: Korean Stickfighting (Bobby Indas) 9. RE: RE: Counter against Gwan Dao (Sonny Padilla) 10. ATA (Emanuel Hart) 11. Re: Korean Stickfighting (Young Forest) 12. RE: Mottos (Gary H Rodgers) 13. Re: Korean Stickfighting (Tahn Bong) (Steve Klement) 14. RE: RE: Counter against Gwan Dao (WoodyTX) 15. Grand Tuhon Leo T. Gaje seminar Virginia (John Daly) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 20:33:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Personal motto's and motivators To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >From the Boy Scouts of the Philippines: Laging Handa (Always ready) Having once been a Scout myself, I found myself thinking of this motto when this thread started. Not an easy one to practice, though. There's also a colloquial phrase in Tagalog: Matirang matibay Which you can translate as: The strong survive Only the strong are left Matibay meaning strong in the sense of being able to stand up to adversity or being able to handle adverse circumstances or facing the stress of circumstances. Incidentally, I understand that this phrase has been adopted as the motto of Bakbakan Int'l. Is this correct? Just want to make sure. Anyone who can verify this for me? Thanks. Regards, Bot __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "WoodyTX" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] San Antonio Schools and Recommendations Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 00:10:50 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I can't speak directly to martial arts schools in SA, but you'll have to take up an aerobic activity if you like good food. Welcome to Texas; how's your Spanish? And you're always welcome to drop in on the Martial Way Academy of Self Defense in Austin (90 miles north). www.martialway.net PS: All that testosterone pouring from Glen Danzig's frame was purely synthetic. Nobody gets that big naturally. WoodyTX > Please recommend schools in San Antonio. Prefer reality > based training. But, will consider all schools e.g., Boxing, > Hapkido, Eskrima/Arnis, Kick Ass Training, Eye Gouge, Hair > Pulling and Groin Shot training. I heard there is also a Kuk > Sool Won school(s) there, but again prefer more urban type > training vs. traditional bow and wow !! > > Cheers, > > Ken McDee... --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Stephen luna" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] RE: Counter against Gwan Dao Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 00:49:22 -0600 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net foot work. >From: "WEE Shin Hoe" >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Counter against Gwan Dao >Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 20:48:57 +0800 > >Hi Guys, > >Just out of curiosity, how do you handle horizontal and diagonally >upward attacks to your torso from a Gwan Dao (Heavy Chinese broadsword >with 4-ft handle) using a stick?...:-) > >------------------------------------------------------------------- >S. H, WEE >E-mail: Shinhoe@pc.jaring.my >=========================================== >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list,  1900 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the latest news, polls and tools in the MSN 2004 Election Guide! --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "GES" To: Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 00:05:22 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] AMOK!, Opinions on Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Any opinions on AMOK! ? G.Stewart --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:05:17 +0100 From: "Jonathan Broster" To: "Eskrima Digest" Subject: [Eskrima] Traditional vs Modern Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi I was wondering how people perceive traditional with regard to the different MA. I have a friend who is a superb fighter, his background is Hung Kuen and Wing Chun, though he has learned Thai boxing (so he could learn to beat them) and is a good Yang TaiJi stylist. We train together; I teach him FMA and silat and he shows me Chinese stuff in return. He refers to himself and me as "modern traditionalists", no uniforms and minimal formality, just trditional raining methods approached with an open mind. It seems to me that a lot of "traditionalists" have missed the boat, in that their version of tradition is based on wearing a gi, bowing and doing forms as a carbon copy of their instuctor. To my mind, traditional martial arts is about developing the whole person, to prepare them for combat. Something of an "if it works, use it" mentality, bearing in mind that old methods have survived because they do/did work. How do other people see this? Jon ... --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 05:23:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Phil Elmore Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Danzig To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net To be honest I have always enjoyed Danzig, the music, though I know nothing about Danzig, the recently-knocked-down man. He has quite a singing voice, at least in the studio, though he tends towards a Pee Wee Hermanesque falsetto in the live recordings on Thrall. I watched the video clip yesterday and was unimpressed. "Bleep you!" "No, bleep you!" Shove. Punch. Over. Anybody can have an off day, I guess, no matter who you're rooting for. ;-) Phil www.themartialist.com John Montes wrote: Glenn Danzig is a racist, -------------- - Phil Elmore --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 05:51:06 -0700 (PDT) From: B Katz To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Mottos and Danzig's Brush With Karma Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I have three mottos that rule my life. The first from a fine combat grunt Marine DI... "Win if you can, loose if you must, but ALWAYS cheat." This was specfic to combat. The second from my Grandfather. "If it has t*ts or tires, sooner or later you will have trouble with it." The third from my first karate instructor, Dan Faber. "Never let your alligator mouth write a check your hummingbird a** can't cash." As for Danzig... It's sad to see people of fame and wealth, who have no reason to fight, other than their egos, resort to violence. However; knowing of Glenn's penchant for being a bully, it does my heart good to see that little insect smashed on the karmic windshield. Train hard, be safe. Brandon __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Bobby Indas" To: Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 09:49:30 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Korean Stickfighting Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ray is absolutely correct. I bumped to website that describes "Protech Weapons Training". This is what there little captions shown on the site... "Single Stick, Double Stick, & Disarming. This course highlights the most popular techniques of the Filipino stick fighting systems, as well as incorporates aspects of Japanese, Chinese, and Korean martial arts. The stick course gives students the basics for training in just about any weapons system. It also helps develop hand-eye coordination and is great physical exercise." I also consulted some friends of mine back home (Philippines) and confirmed that Suro Mike Inay must have taught some Korean Martial Artists some 10 or more years ago and they implemented those lessons as their own. A TKD friend told me that he wasn't taught any weapons training and he adopted all of it from Chinese and Japanese and as well as Filipino as his added abilities. Any ideas? --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Sonny Padilla" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] RE: Counter against Gwan Dao Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 08:20:48 -0600 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello, In our system we use what we call a Fraile technique which is basically a deflecting technique and counter strike. It can be use against longer weapons like a bo baseball bat or hockey stick. Sonny Padilla Kali Ilustrisimo >From: "WEE Shin Hoe" >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Counter against Gwan Dao >Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 20:48:57 +0800 > >Hi Guys, > >Just out of curiosity, how do you handle horizontal and diagonally >upward attacks to your torso from a Gwan Dao (Heavy Chinese broadsword >with 4-ft handle) using a stick?...:-) > >------------------------------------------------------------------- >S. H, WEE >E-mail: Shinhoe@pc.jaring.my >=========================================== >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Emanuel Hart Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:34:44 +0200 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] ATA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net ------ In the mid-90's I saw a tape on Korean Stick Fighting and it looked a lot like Serreda but modified to be very like Tae Kwon Do/Karate. Very static movements. At the end of the tape Suro Mike Inay's name appeared in the credits. That system of Koren Stick fighting showed up at a friends ATA Tae Kwon Do school. Tae Kwon Do never had weapons. I can only assume its part of the stick fighting system Mike Inay modified and marketed to Tae Kwon Do schools so they could supplement their curriculum and give their Black Belts more to do. Joe Marszalek ------------ Just for the record, the ATA did not have the support of Suro Mike Inay in any way. What they have with regards to Inayan Eskrima was taken, packaged, and sold without his permission or knowledge. I was there in Las Vegas when Mr. Lee tried to apologize for what he did. ------- Emanuel Hart Inayan Masirib Guro www.inayaneskrima.com hart@inayaneskrima.com Inayan Systems International --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Young Forest" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 15:10:07 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Korean Stickfighting Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >I believe the ATA has something called the ProTech Training System. >It is a bunch of add-ons to 'traditional' Taekwondo. I believe ProTech >includes topical areas like Short Stick, Eskrima Stick, Sword, Knife, Joint >Manipulation, etc. Not sure of the actual list of subjects. ATA instructors >become certified (read instructors pay more money to the ATA) in the topical >areas to pass the subjects along to their black belts (read students pay more >to the instructor). > >I believe that the Lee brothers (founders of the ATA, formerly the MTA >[Midwest TKD Assoc]) sought out Suro Mike Inay for instruction in some >of these subject areas. > >Anyone care to add more info??? Only that in Choi Hong Hi's big book o' TKD, the only weapon stuff shown is defending against an armed opponent. And, it must be told, defending poorly (although the spinning hook kick to the head *is* a novel move to use against a bayonet-wielding foe). Badger Siling Labuyo Arnis _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfeeŽ Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Gary H Rodgers" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Mottos Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:59:40 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "Pray for the dead and fight like hell for the living." Mother Jones --__--__-- Message: 13 From: Steve Klement Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Korean Stickfighting (Tahn Bong) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:12:44 -0400 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Right. Sort of anyway. At the time we were already working with various contacts in ATA schools to supplement their training mostly through Sinawali. Eventually, the Lee's were brought straight to Suro's school in Campbell, CA. The intent was to give in-depth demos of Inayan over a two day period so that they (ATA) could decide if they would like to officially implement some Inayan Eskrima into their program as described. They seemed to enjoy everything and even partook in a "little" training. When it came down to working numbers out on paper things got fuzzy. Eventually all contact was lost. Approximately six months later though the "instructional video" referred to below was brought to our attention. What a disgrace and shame as it could have easily worked out for everyone. -- Steve Klement Inayan Masirib Guro www.inayaneskrima.com klement@inayaneskrima.com Inayan Systems International > From: Ray Terry > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Korean Stickfighting (Tahn Bong) > Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:38:43 -0700 (PDT) > >> In the mid-90's I saw a tape on Korean Stick Fighting >> and it looked a lot like Serreda but modified to be >> very like Tae Kwon Do/Karate. Very static movements. >> At the end of the tape Suro Mike Inay's name appeared >> in the credits. That system of Koren Stick fighting >> showed up at a friends ATA Tae Kwon Do school. Tae >> Kwon Do never had weapons. I can only assume its part >> of the stick fighting system Mike Inay modified and >> marketed to Tae Kwon Do schools so they could >> supplement their curriculum and give their Black Belts >> more to do. > > I believe the ATA has something called the ProTech Training System. > It is a bunch of add-ons to 'traditional' Taekwondo. I believe ProTech > includes topical areas like Short Stick, Eskrima Stick, Sword, Knife, > Joint > Manipulation, etc. Not sure of the actual list of subjects. ATA > instructors > become certified (read instructors pay more money to the ATA) in the > topical > areas to pass the subjects along to their black belts (read students > pay more > to the instructor). > > I believe that the Lee brothers (founders of the ATA, formerly the MTA > [Midwest TKD Assoc]) sought out Suro Mike Inay for instruction in some > of these subject areas. > > Anyone care to add more info??? > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 14 From: "WoodyTX" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] RE: Counter against Gwan Dao Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:36:13 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net If I had a dollar for every time someone attacked me with a Chinese broadsword... (Well, I wouldn't have any money, but you know....) :) Seriously: in open ground, I'd evade and outrun him; I can run faster scared than you can angry, especially toting that big-arsed pig-sticker. If I had to defend, I'd evade with triangular footwork and aim for his hands. I'm sure that thing isn't as dangerous when you've got a broken knuckle. Final option: Deflect with a four-wall and close to punjo/grappling range. Big toys are generally a liability at that range. WoodyTX > Hi Guys, > Just out of curiosity, how do you handle horizontal and diagonally > upward attacks to your torso from a Gwan Dao (Heavy Chinese broadsword > with 4-ft handle) using a stick?...:-) > S. H, WEE --__--__-- Message: 15 From: "John Daly" To: Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:41:29 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Grand Tuhon Leo T. Gaje seminar Virginia Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Grand Tuhon Leo T. Gaje will be conducting a seminar at the Eastwind Academy of Martial Arts on August 21st and 22nd from 10:30-4:30. I've attached the flyer. Pekiti-Tirsia Kali is a close-quarter, in-fighting combat system against multiple opponents based on the use of the Blade. The Pekiti-Tirsia system of Kali originates from the province of Negros Occidental in the Philippines and was formulated by the Tortal family of Negros and Panay islands. The family patriarch, Conrado B. Tortal, passed this system and its attributes onto his only grandson, and sole heir, GRAND TUHON Leo Tortal Gaje, Jr. Thanks all. John Daly jdaly@gsh.com [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/msword which had a name of gaje_flyer.doc] GSH Residential Real Estate Corp., whose corporate address is 582 Lynnhaven Pkwy., Ste. 400, Virginia Beach, VA 23452, (757) 490-6500, is licensed to do real estate in the Commonwealth of Virginia and the state of North Carolina. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest