Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 03:01:50 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #272 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Balintawak and bolos (david eke) 2. Re: Travelling and training in the Philippines (isagani abon) 3. Favorite Adages (Buz Grover) 4. danzig (Ste Ormerod) 5. Re: Ernie Reyes's Eskrima teachers (Kes41355@aol.com) 6. modern arnis bolos etc (david foggie) 7. Training in the Philippines (david foggie) 8. RE: Training in the Philippines (Sonny Padilla) 9. Confrontations in the media (Michael Koblic) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:10:03 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: david eke Subject: [Eskrima] Balintawak and bolos Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >>He does mention Moncal, Bacon and Marranga >>all of Balintawak note. He also uses balintawaks 12 basic strikes and >>counters with the stance variations >The balintawak numbering system and the Modern Arnis numbering system are >actually different. I didn't say the numbering system was the same. True, Strikes 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9 are switched around e.g. Modern Arnis 3 strike to the left shoulder is a Balintawak strike to the right shoulder. However, the target areas, general execution and types of strikes are the same. My point being that Modern Arnis 12 basic strikes comes from Balintawak. >>On the statement about agricultural or jungle fighting bolos.....well?? >>Looking through my books I don't see any particular difference between >>the ones described in the books and the ones I have at home. >Check out the DVD. Bram explains it far better than I do. I try to bring back two or three knives back from the PI each trip. At last count I have just over a dozen with these coming from different areas. You can buy these knives from off street blacksmiths that forge them mostly from leaf springs. If you tell them what you want they will make it for you, however, the stock standard "bolo" ranges from about 18 in to 30 in. "Bolo" is a Tagalog word, Visayans use different words to distinguish between the various types. Stock standard bolos are all of agricultural use. Ask these guys to make you a "Jungle fighting bolo" and they will look at you as if you're crazy. From any of my experience in the PI I've never come across a "Jungle fighting bolo" Interesting side point to the "Jungle Fighting Bolo" story is that there is a rumour that a special machete was manufactured in Australia for the 978th Signal Service company during WW2. These guys were Macarthur's "mission men" inserted into the PI by submarine. They were trained both at Camp X and jungle fighting by Australian troops at Canungra jungle training centre. These guys were recruited from the 1st (and 2nd) Filipino Regiments who fought in New Guinea and participated in the reinvasion of the PI. For these guys the bolo was not standard issue. From what I can tell no bolos were issued as part of the standard kit (unlike Gurkha's with their Kurkri) for any of the Filipino troops raised either at the start of the war in the PI or in the states. >From what I know of balintawak having just been in cebu, I was told by several masters >there that balintawak is stick based. Originally when Anciong Bacon studied the art, it >was espada y daga based. Anciong didn't study Balintawak, he created it. Moncal and Marranga were just two of his senior students. The "poking of the dagger into training partners" is pre Balintawak when he was involved with the Doce Pares club. Who did you study with in Cebu? --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:38:02 -0700 (PDT) From: isagani abon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Travelling and training in the Philippines To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sid, Dont forget to go to Luneta, Rizalpark Manila. You can see a lot of Arnisador there. We can also offer a good Training. Try to visit our site. http://www.angelfire.com/art2/rapidorealismo about the Rapido Realismo Martial Arts. Guro Isagani Sidney525@aol.com wrote: I will be travelling to the Philippiines later on this month, and a number of people have given me people and places to go of interest for the escrimador. I was just looking for an additional input in terms of possible people to train with, where I might find some interesting training equiptment (swords, sticks, etc), and any places of interest. I am planning primarily to be around Manila, Southern Luzon & Cebu. But I am kind of flexible. salamat Sid _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:19:40 -0400 From: Buz Grover To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Favorite Adages Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Been meaning to submit several of my favorite adages: Peace through superior firepower. No good deed goes unpunished. Everything you read in the newspaper is absolutely true, except for the rare story of which you happen to have first hand information. My karma ran over your dogma. Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. Under-promise and over-deliver And finally my response to an irksome bumpersticker: Think pompously, act parochially. Regards, Buz Grover --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Ste Ormerod" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 20:37:38 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] danzig Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all, I realise that this is old stuff now, but as a fan of the Misfits and admirer of Danzig's music but not his big mouth, it amused me greatly to see him get a good smack. However it's not the first time. Back in the early 90's he was knocked a**se over t*t by Vivian Campbell, effeminately named and looking guitarist with Def Leppard. By the way, I'm 5' bog all and built like a filing cabinet too. Love to you all, Ste _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Kes41355@aol.com Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:01:12 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Ernie Reyes's Eskrima teachers Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Ray, Mike Inay was indeed Ernie Reyes' original Eskrima instructor, and Mr. Reyes even listed Mike among his teachers in a Black Belt magazine special issue many years ago which showcased some of the top people in MA's in the US My teacher also spent a lot of time teaching at Mr. Reyes' school, but I'll let him speak up here if he chooses to. Kim Satterfield In a message dated 7/9/04 5:37:36 AM US Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > I believe the original "sticks" instructor of Ernie, and maybe Tony and Ed, > was Mike Inay. Ernie may have worked with Jimmy a bit after that. ??? > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:46:20 -0700 (PDT) From: david foggie To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] modern arnis bolos etc Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net David Eke wrote: Anciong didn't study Balintawak, he created it. Moncal and Marranga were just two of his senior students. The "poking of the dagger into training partners" is pre Balintawak when he was involved with the Doce Pares club. Who did you study with in Cebu? I did not say that Anciong studied balintawak. What what said, was: "Originally when Anciong Bacon studied teh art, it was espada y daga based." I was referring to his training before the founding of balintawak. Mself and my girlfriend were studying under Sergio Arcel. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:55:16 -0700 (PDT) From: david foggie To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Training in the Philippines Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sid, If you are in manila and looking for good, quality and hard training there are several options. Christopher Ricketts of bakbakan is definitely one that springs to mind. As many people know and I am sure that Bot Jocano can support this, he is very well versed in kali ilustrisimo and sagasa. That is not to say that he is not skiled in other martial arts, but these are areas that he excells in. SAince he teaches professionally, you can schedule training times that suit you. A very great master who is very thorough and generous in his teaching. GM Tony Diego continues to teach kalis ilustrisimo in Binondo (chinatown) to a small group of students. If you are looking for lightning scientific arnis, there are a number of options available in manila. In regards to Luneta and Rizal, there is good and bad there. That is not putting people down, but this is a fact. Personally, have a look at various styles before you commit your dollars to studying with anyone. I am in Manila still and if you want, email me on xsagasa@yahoo.com Best of luck. I am sure that you are going to have a great time. David --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Sonny Padilla" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Training in the Philippines Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 20:57:30 -0600 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I also recommend Mr.Christopher Ricketts and and Mr. Tony Diego. If you need there numbers please contact me privately. Tks, Sonny Padilla Kali Ilustrisimo >From: david foggie >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [Eskrima] Training in the Philippines >Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:55:16 -0700 (PDT) > >Sid, > >If you are in manila and looking for good, quality and hard training there >are several options. > >Christopher Ricketts of bakbakan is definitely one that springs to mind. As >many people know and I am sure that Bot Jocano can support this, he is very >well versed in kali ilustrisimo and sagasa. That is not to say that he is >not skiled in other martial arts, but these are areas that he excells in. >SAince he teaches professionally, you can schedule training times that suit >you. A very great master who is very thorough and generous in his teaching. > >GM Tony Diego continues to teach kalis ilustrisimo in Binondo (chinatown) >to a small group of students. > >If you are looking for lightning scientific arnis, there are a number of >options available in manila. > >In regards to Luneta and Rizal, there is good and bad there. That is not >putting people down, but this is a fact. Personally, have a look at various >styles before you commit your dollars to studying with anyone. > >I am in Manila still and if you want, email me on xsagasa@yahoo.com > >Best of luck. I am sure that you are going to have a great time. > >David > > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _________________________________________________________________ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Michael Koblic" To: "Eskrima digest" Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 20:01:17 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Confrontations in the media Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Some interesting things can be learned from video clips and news reports covering various confrontations: 1) The Danzig clip (linked and discussed here many times already) 2) Jay Leno show from Friday July 9. He showed a clip of what happened after a news conference given at the Homeland Security department (!). Two newsies got into a verbal exchange. One tried to (?) headbut the other. The victim then drives him through the chairs to the ground. Outocme unknown, but the recipient of the initial attack definitely has the upper hand. Comment: It is widely espoused that the initiator of the attack has the tactical advantage. It did not seem to happen in either of the two events. What is the morale of the story? If you initiate the attack you'd better make it count? Is this a typical scenario? Is it in fact easier to defeat a commited attacker if you somehow make the initial attack fail. What do people who 'have been there" think? 3) In Prague, Czech republic, a 23-year old student was attacked by a would be rapist. She somehow managed to pull out a pocket knife known as "rybicka" (little fish). It is so called because the handle is indeed fashioned to resemble a fish. It is a a very small cheap pocket folder (non-locking). If I recall it correctly (and they have not changed its appearance) the blade is not much over 2 inches. I know it because it was the first knife I ever owned (at the age of about 5). She managed to stab the attacker once in the torso. Then the knife closed on her. She continued to strike him with the closed knife and the attacker eventually broke off. She managed to summon the police who found the attacker nearby - dead. Comment: A fine example of what it means never to quit. Furthermore, it shows again what an untrained person can do with a even small blade. 2-inch blade can reach the heart under certain circumstances, trained person would choose other targets (the attacker clearly took some time to die which uder the circumstance may not have been desirable). Finally, thank god for locking mechanisms. BTW, I wondered how she got it open in the heat of the struggle. It is not an easy knife to open. Try opening a Swiss army knife while fending off a rapist. The details of the report were sufficiently obscure. At the time of reporting the police considered her response "probably appropriate". Michael Koblic Campbell River, BC --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest