Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 03:01:50 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #275 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Solo stick drills... (Scott Kinney) 2. RE: Quotes and KBs! (Bobby Indas) 3. RE: Counter against Gwan Dao (Clint Cayson) 4. RE: knives on keychains (WoodyTX) 5. Bolo and Balintawak (David Eke) 6. RE: Counter against Gwan Dao (Buz Grover) 7. COLD STEEL CHALLENGE (steve kohn) 8. Garimot Arnis Seminar 8/7/04 in Oakland, CA (al sardinas) 9. Tuhon Tom Kier, Sayoc Kali seminar (Steven Lefebvre) 10. RE: knives on keychains (Phil Elmore) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Scott Kinney" To: Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:08:26 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Solo stick drills... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > I'd be really interested in hearing how the other folks on the list > arrange their daily solo high-rep stick drill. Away from partner > practice one has to hit the solo work real hard. > Truly impressed by your use of KB's in stick drills, very creative! I may try the same thing with one of the Olympic shot (?) that I acquired when introduced to pa kua. I'll sometimes punch or slap with the live hand in between stick strikes. What I really like to do for 'high-rep' training is to insert a particular strike between each one in the overall pattern. So, for a 12 strike pattern I would do... 1.2.1.3.1.4.1.5.1.6.1.7.1.8.1.9.1.10.1.11.1.12 then insert the '2' inbetween, then the '3' and so on. Less frequently, I'll do the 12 as each type of strike, 12 lobtik, 12 witik, 12 abaniko, 12 redondo, 12 florette, and so on. And because I'm a Hock guy, I'll do them kneeling, on my back and getting up from the floor. Veering slightly into the quotes area.... Most of the quotes that I like I've gotten from Richard Marcinko's books, or from Hock. There are some from unusual sources: "Go big or stay home." perhaps not so unusual, except I first heard from a drag queen.... "If you're not over the top, you can't see what's on the other side." - Jim Steinman (wrote most of Meatloaf's big hits) "Learn the meaning of this, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'" - New Testament quote. I say this to myself a fair amount at work, because people tend to whine when the work gets hard. Scott Kinney Amateur Barbarian --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Bobby Indas" To: Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:31:50 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Quotes and KBs! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net This is my favorite quote of all time: "Study as if you were never to master it; as if in fear of losing it." -- confucius-- Bob Indas --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:59:43 -0400 From: "Clint Cayson" To: Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Counter against Gwan Dao Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Mr. Padilla Sir, I'm not familiar with Fraile system but I would like to ask you your opinion if this "counter or evading technique" is similar to 'Tai Chi Chuan' and/or 'Wu Shu' using single blade sword? Because I've seen couple masters demonstrating how to counter and counter-attacking long weapons especially gwan dao or twin kan dao using king yue wooden practice sword and "Fraile system is quite similar to that of tai chi and wu shu. In addition, these masters combined the combative tai chi and wu shu to counter long staff, and few broadswords and successfully outdone the opponent... your idea? Thanks. With respect, Kuai Li p.s. I'm only using my friends email service. thanks. From: "Sonny Padilla" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] RE: Counter against Gwan Dao Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 00:16:33 -0600 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In fraile you are not moving out of range of the weapon. Instead, you are using your stick to redirect the weapon of the opponent away from you and counter strike to the delivery system. I had successfully demonstrated this several times against long weapons like the Gwan Dao even against a spear. You are not trying to stop the force of the heavier weapon but actually helping your opponent move his weapon but not towards you. You 'll find that you do not need a lot of force to redirect. It would be easier for me to demonstrate than to describe but if you come to our summer camp August 28 and 29th in Burbank Campgroung, Blackfalds, Alberta I will be more than pleased to show you. Sonny Padilla Kali Ilustrisimo --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "WoodyTX" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] knives on keychains Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:29:27 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Check out www.hideawayknife.com. Small, versatile, impossible to strip. Although they are a bit expensive. WoodyTX > Hey guys, > ...Can anyone recommend another knife > if this size that can attach > comfortably on my keychain with somewhat of a tactical or defensive flavor > to it. I find that most of these small knives do not have much of a grip. > Any input would be greatly appreciated. > Norm --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "David Eke" To: Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:19:08 +1000 Subject: [Eskrima] Bolo and Balintawak Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Rocky said "Actually when GM Bacon studied the Saavedra System it was STICK and dagger not sword! Anciongs dagger was taken away from him because he hurt people in training. There was no grabing of the stick because you had a dagger in the other hand and couldn't grab, as Anciong developed his skills he realized the value of not comitting to grabing someonse stick even if you had a free hand, because you could come up against a bladded fighter." I've trained with a Doce Pares GM in Cebu with a stick and dagger technique which was very similar to the 12 basic strikes and counters of Balintawak. The check was with the knife instead of the hand. He made mention he had been trained by a person who had been trained by the Saavedras. Peter Said "Having served in the Australian Army,in signals, I can assure you that a machete is what is issued as part of a general issue. A machete was also issued to all troops who served in the S.E. asian arena during WW2 if they needed them." Peter, you seem to have misread my post. I said Interesting side point to the "Jungle Fighting Bolo" story is that there is a rumour that a special machete was manufactured in Australia for the 978th Signal Service company during WW2. These guys were Macarthur's "mission men" inserted into the PI by submarine. They were trained both at Camp X and jungle fighting by Australian troops at Canungra jungle training centre. These guys were recruited from the 1st (and 2nd) Filipino Regiments who fought in New Guinea and participated in the reinvasion of the PI. For these guys the bolo was not standard issue. From what I can tell no bolos were issued as part of the standard kit (unlike Gurkha's with their Kurkri) for any of the Filipino troops raised either at the start of the war in the PI or in the states. The 978th Signal Service company was a US unit during ww2. These guys were trained with our Z Special Unit at Camp X and Canungra. They were the precursor to our special forces. My overall point being that there are many "stories" in the FMA community about the use of bolos during WW2. If bolos were in common use either within units raised in the PI or America then they would have been general issue. There appears to be no record of this, therefore if bolos were used they would be none standard equipment probably picked up from a local forge (adapted from agricultural use). For the most part the use of the bolo by Filipino troops seems to be mostly "hype" (but not all) --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:34:14 -0400 From: Buz Grover To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Counter against Gwan Dao Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Tried it. Due to the length of the weapon, there will quite a distance > to cover if you want to attack your opponent after moving out of range. > So eventually you will be caught in the path of the weapon. Counters > against angle 1 & 2 (diagonal slashes to both sides of the head) are > quite straight forward as you can jammed the hand or shaft to stop the > weapon. However, for attacks toward torso, I have problems to position > my hand with enough support to stop the heavy weapon. By the way, as in > the case of Kenjutsu, a Gwan Dao expert do not swing the weapon but > rather using his lead hand to guide the weapon, which can recovers or > changes direction quite fast. I hesitate to mention this because I haven't tried it in an Eskrima context, but I've used a dive roll at an opponent's ankles as a BJJ takedown before and have been waiting for an occasion to arise to use it in weapons training. In this context I think I'd feint something high while crashing in, as my opponents weapon went up I'd tuck and roll toward his knees or ankles. Needless to say you'd have to recover quickly, and you'd want to practice rolling with your weapon in hand, but my guess is that the person with the shorter weapon would have the advantage if things were finished on the ground, particularly if he just bowled the other fellow over. Regards, Buz Grover --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "steve kohn" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:38:39 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] COLD STEEL CHALLENGE Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Al, Your question regarding blocking a blade with an empty hand really came off as a rather thinly veiled attack on The Cold Steel Challenge. Try again. Obviously you cant block the blade of a sword or knife with your hand, but you can certainly jam the arm that is holding the weapon or pass the weapon by moving to the outside of your opponents arm.You really have no choice if its the wrong time for the in-a-perfect-world-technique that would be your first choice. Surely youve seen meets and follows. Even systems less complete than your own teach this in the basics. Your pal, Steve Kohn     >From: "al sardinas" >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [Eskrima] Re: COLD STEEL CHALLENGE >Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 08:58:08 -0400 > >Guro Balicki, > >The COLD STEEL CHALLENGE looks like it is going to be a good, fun and well >organized event. The Official Rules are detailed enough to give one an >outlook of  what to expect. Based on my interpretation of the Rules and >Scoring, it appears that the fighting at largo range will be favored since >no clinching is allowed and participants will start over after 2 points are >scored. > >I just have some questions: >In the rules for both the knife and sword fighting, free hand blocking is >allowed. Can you provide more information on this? It is hard to picture >blocking a sword or knife with a hand. > >Can you provide the weight of the knives and swords that will be provided >for use? > >Is it possible for Cold Steel to provide examples of the knife fighting and >sword fighting and maybe different throwing competitions? The website states >that this is the first challenge but I figure they have performed practice >sessions in each category. > >Respectfully, >Al Sardinas >Student of Garimot System of Arnis >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list,  1900 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima ------------------------------------------------------------------------ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "al sardinas" To: Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 07:26:37 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Garimot Arnis Seminar 8/7/04 in Oakland, CA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Seminar Advertisement: Straight from the Source Speed-Switch Entertainment and Badmonkee Productions present a special event, "Straight from the Source" on Saturday, August 7th, 2004. Beginning at 10:00 am at the West-Wind Karate School located on 14th Street and Jefferson in Oakland, California, Speed-Switch and Badmonkee welcome Gat Puno ("Head Chief") Abon Baet, inheritor of the Garimot Arnis system and teacher of the Harimaw Buno. A few notables about Gat Puno Baet: · Inheritor of the Garimot family style of Arnis, a complete art that is over 150 years old and has been in the Baet family for over five generations (www.garimot.com) · From Laguna province in the Philippines, location of the famous "caves of death" and the original Doce Pares organization, of which Felicisimo Dizon was a member (Dizon was the teacher of the late Grandmaster Angel Cabales, founder of Eskrima Serrada) · Started training at the age of seven · Mastered not only Garimot Arnis, but also other systems in Laguna · Teacher of the indigenous grappling art, Harimaw Buno (Tiger Style) of the Philippine Aborigines · Started competing in unpadded, full-contact stick-fighting at the age of sixteen and held the undefeated stick fighting title from 1978-1985 · Founded the P.A.E.T.E Laguna Arnis Federation and Harimaw Buno Federation · Extensive knowledge of the healing art of the Philippines known as "Hilot" · Featured in The Philippine American Journal, Inside Kung Fu and The Karate Voice There will also be a special guest appearance by the one and only Professor Sultan Uddin, PhD, the direct protégé of the late Grandmaster Angel Cabales. Professor Uddin was one of the youngest and the first African-American to become a Master under Angel's system. Recognized worldwide as one of the fastest stick and blade fighters in world, Professor Uddin's skills have been featured in film and television. He was inducted into The World Martial Arts Hall of Fame in March 2000 and currently is an Executive Producer and Promoter in the entertainment industry. This four-hour event will consist of demonstrations of Eskrima Serrada, Garimot Arnis, and the Hilot. After the demonstrations, there will be a Garimot Arnis workshop for participants. A lecture on Philippine Martial Arts and History will be the last segment before lunch. After the lunch break, there will be an open Symposium for any and all questions regarding the material presented. Guests of the event are also invited to a special after-party at La'Zeez Restaurant in San Francisco presented exclusively by Badmonkee Productions. If you are a student, teacher or enthusiast of any martial art, holistic healing or even Philippine Culture, this is a must-attend event for you! The material provided comes straight from the source. This is a rare West Coast appearance. Payment postmarked on or before Saturday, July 24 will be discounted as follows: Individual Participant Fee $125 per person Group/School Discount (5 or more people) $100 per person High School/College Students (with ID) $85 per person Payment received after Saturday, July 24 is as follows: Individual Participant Fee $150 per person Group/School Discount (5 or more people) $125 per person High School/College Students (with ID) $100 per person Garimot members $100 per person Spectator Fee $50 per person On the day of the event, cash, cashier's check or money order will be accepted. No personal checks will be accepted! Tickets are on a first-come, first-serve basis and space is limited. To pre-pay, send cashier's check or money order to: Speed-Switch Entertainment PO Box 706 Daly City, CA 94017 For more information, e-mail "speed_switch2004@yahoo.com" or call 510-526-1338. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Steven Lefebvre" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:22:08 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Tuhon Tom Kier, Sayoc Kali seminar Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Everyone, For those of you down in the Texas area: TUHON TOM KIER OF SAYOC INTERNATIONAL GROUP WILL BE TEACHING A TWO DAY SEMINAR AT WARRIOR'S WAY MARTIAL ARTS ACADEMY JULY 24th & 25th, 2004 Time: 10:00 am - 4:00 pm Location: Warrior's Way 4020 Rhea Rd Suite 7C Wichita Falls, Tx 76308 Cost: One Day $95.00 Two Days $150.00 - For more information: Contact:Krystal Foretich 940-696-1254, or go to www.warriorswaytx.com Train Hard it is the Way! Guro Steve L. --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:58:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Phil Elmore Subject: RE: [Eskrima] knives on keychains To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I did a review of the Hideaway in the Reviews section of The Martialist. www.themartialist.com - Phil WoodyTX wrote: Check out www.hideawayknife.com. Small, versatile, impossible to strip. Although they are a bit expensive. WoodyTX > Hey guys, > ...Can anyone recommend another knife > if this size that can attach > comfortably on my keychain with somewhat of a tactical or defensive flavor > to it. I find that most of these small knives do not have much of a grip. > Any input would be greatly appreciated. > Norm _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima -------------- - Phil Elmore --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest