Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 03:01:49 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #283 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Silat Mubai (Stovall, Craig) 2. RE: Poll (Jared Dame) 3. Re: Poll (Aaron Alejandro) 4. Re: Silat Mubai (Steve Ames) 5. Balintawak (POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com) 6. Not in the real world! (rockypasiwk) 7. Re: RE: Fights going to the ground. (abreton@juno.com) 8. MTV's "True Life: I'm a Muay Thai Fighter" (Joe Marszalek) 9. Henry Espera/Isagani Abon (GatPuno@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:57:16 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Silat Mubai Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I saw some videos/DVD's for sale on ebay regarding Silat Mubai...so called "Muslim Silat". I viewed the free clips that were linked to on the auction page. Interesting stuff...nothing earth shattering, or terribly different than the stuff I've seen in the past. However, I was just wondering if anyone had experience with this Silat system or the people involved in it. Thanks. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error or are unsure whether it contains confidential or privileged information, please immediately notify us by email or telephone. You are instructed to destroy any and all copies, electronic, paper or otherwise, which you may have of this communication if you are not the intended recipient. Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 2 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Poll Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:05:10 -0400 From: "Jared Dame" To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hard to pick which one I would go with an this, between a 1 and a 2. My answer would be 2. (And in certain situations a 1 would be appropriate depending on the environment and if the attacker has friends present) ciao, Jared -----Original Message----- From: Magtutudlo [mailto:magtutudlo@hotmail.com] Sent: Fri 23-Jul-04 09:48 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Cc: Subject: [Eskrima] Poll Hello All! Question(s): "If you happen be a Martial Artist encountering a visually identified physical assault on your body, the best chance to survive is... 1.. strike when the enemy start making provocating statements, because it already means a challenge 2.. strike when the enemy starts making provocating physical contacts (push away your head,body,etc.) 3.. strike when the enemy had his first blow on you, because you don't want to be the one who starts the fight 4.. don't strike as he attack because you believe that it will teach the enemy that violence won't settle anything 5.. don't strike as he attack because you don't want to heat up the situation. I'll tally all the results and post it here. Salamat Po, Bob _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima he enemy that violence won't settle anything 5.. don't strike as he attack because you don't want to heat up the situation. I'll tally all the results and post it here. Salamat Po, Bob _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Aaron Alejandro" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Poll Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:34:05 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Bob, Per your question, and multiple choice answers: I believe you may have a 6th, 7th, 8th and many other options. However, I believe the answer really resides in Option #1 and #2. (Because it is an election year, I choose to find an answer in the middle.) If the situation cannot be verbally defused, I would believe Option #1 is perfectly acceptable, warranted and necessary. If it were a 9-11 sucker punch, push, shove, etc., Option #2 provides an appropriate response. Something else to consider, which was not part of your original question, is where does this situation occur. Depending on the policies of a workplace, organization or laws of a state, there could be serious consequences for any response -- appropriate or not. Just a thought. Good brain candy question though. Aaron > Question(s): "If you happen be a Martial Artist encountering a visually > identified physical assault on your body, the best chance to survive is... > 1.. strike when the enemy start making provocating statements, because it > already means a challenge > 2.. strike when the enemy starts making provocating physical contacts > (push away your head,body,etc.) > 3.. strike when the enemy had his first blow on you, because you don't > want to be the one who starts the fight > 4.. don't strike as he attack because you believe that it will teach the > enemy that violence won't settle anything > 5.. don't strike as he attack because you don't want to heat up the situation. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:09:54 -0500 From: Steve Ames To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Silat Mubai Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net On Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 10:57:16AM -0500, Stovall, Craig wrote: > I saw some videos/DVD's for sale on ebay regarding Silat Mubai...so called > "Muslim Silat". I viewed the free clips that were linked to on the auction > page. Interesting stuff...nothing earth shattering, or terribly different > than the stuff I've seen in the past. However, I was just wondering if > anyone had experience with this Silat system or the people involved in it. > Thanks. www.mubai.cc -Steve --__--__-- Message: 5 From: POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:18:26 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Balintawak Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > HELP!  I'm looking for Balintawak School(s) in the area of Deerfield Beach, > Boca Raton, and Delray Beach Florida.  If anyone can give me information, I > appreciate it very much.  Please email me privately... Thanks again. > > Clint > You can try Garimot Guru Victor Rivera in Palm Beach. He might be able to help you. Tom Furman www.physicalstrategies.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "rockypasiwk" To: Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:37:19 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Not in the real world! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >From my own experience, if 90% of the fights went to the ground their would be more people dying in street fights. Since the ground fighting craze of the the Martial arts sporting competition of the 90's people have forgotten what happens in real street fights, like your opponents buddy putting his size 12 boot upside your head while you are dry humping his friend, or the ever popular "Motor City back scratcher (Tire Iron) across the back of your head while you impress everyone with your ground skills. In Cuentada De Mano our ground fighting is based on my fathers Ukrainian, Wrestling, Judo and Katch fighting, so many people think we like to be on the ground and are suprised when I teach that the most important thing about ground fighting is to learn how to get back on your feet as quickly as possible!!! My cousin Curtis tried to do a hip throw on a guy in a bar once, the kind of hip throw where you land on you opponent, except Curt cought the corner of a table on the temple on his way down. Like the old saying goes use the right tool for the right job and life is much easier. Rocky --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "abreton@juno.com" Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:20:39 GMT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] RE: Fights going to the ground. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Karol, If you've grappled in the sand, it's really tiring as well. I have a buddy that used to train on and off with our Pekiti group in Texas, and - wouldn't you know it - when I moved to Hawaii he showed up in my silat class. He's on Maui while I'm on Oahu. I remember you posted a while back about training partners on Maui. Could you pass on your contact info off-line, so I can forward it on to him? Andy -- Karol Krauser wrote: I have to agree that alot of fights end up on the ground. I prefer practicing a combination of grappling mixed with silat ground work. I also believe that the concept of flow from the FMA applies to the ground range as well. I have worked with training partners who are skilled grapplers and they often ask what the hell it is I am doing when we work together. I can apply the sensitivity and flow of Kali / Silat along with the inside elbow and knee ranges in a grappling situation and feel pretty comfortable. This said I still enjoy and practice as much straight grappling as I can but at times blend it all together. On a final note it seems grappling on the streets as opposed to grappling in the dojo is extremly different. A friend of mine recently told me about a fight he witnessed in town last year between two JuJitsu stylists. We are here in Hawaii were clothing is somewhat optional and by the time these two individuals were done they were skinned from head to toe. It appears as if it was a totally different game for them as it was no gi, no shirt, and both of them were greased up with sun screen and sweat.There was not hair to pull as short hair and shaved heads are in and no clothes to grab so neither individual could really get the upper hand. My friend told me that after about ten minutes both fighters were exausted and had received more damage from rolling on the hot pavement then they did from each other. I guess neither combatant had the common sense to say "Hey can we take this to the grass?" Of course this is not always the case but it is something to consider. Hormat to all Karol "Ungoy" Krauser --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:18:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Marszalek To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net, Bob Burgee Cc: makdigest@martialartskoncepts.com, Stefan Schnier , Ken Vargas , Mike Krivka , Mike Parlon , Rick Reidenbach , Craig Bailey , Craig Bailey , Brendan Goldblatt , Frank Goldblatt , Nick Goldblatt Subject: [Eskrima] MTV's "True Life: I'm a Muay Thai Fighter" Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net There is actually something on MTV that is interesting to watch. I missed the first 15 minutes. I would say its worth checking out. Here is info on the show from MTV's site and future air times. They train at Master Toddy's gym. MTV's "True Life: I'm a Muay Thai Fighter" This new episode of True Life follows 2 American boxers, Kit and Ben, as they travel overseas to make their mark in the brutal world of Muay Thai fighting, Thailand's national sport, which combines kicking, punching and wrestling with few restrictions. Kit and Ben are each scheduled to compete in bare-knuckle fights that will be broadcast live on television all across Thailand. Air Times: MTV Channel Saturday July 24 - 5:30 PM EST Sunday July 25 - 12:30 AM EST Thursday July 29 - 10:00 PM EST Friday July 30 - 3:00 PM EST Saturday July 31 - 6:30 PM EST Sunday August 01 - 7:00 PM Thursday August 05 - 10:00 PM http://www.mtv.com/onair/dyn/truelife/series.jhtml# Joe Marszalek ===== Joe Marszalek's WishList -- http://www.amazon.com/o/registry/2TWW8GHT4IIAQ Web Admin for Martial Arts Koncepts -- http://www.MartialArtsKoncepts.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --__--__-- Message: 9 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 21:29:38 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Henry Espera/Isagani Abon Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I do respect you and other Filipino Martial Artist, Filipino or not, is just make me think how easy it is to used some allibi. Well I have no dought that you believed to your style, I do too. But to the tone of your advertising, that you will give an instructorship Seminar for few days is absurds. But hey, I just want to give you guys some way to really show us who you are, and if you are really can fights. July 2005, I will be back home to fight anyone of those want to fight me biginner or GM, specially those people that I dont know, its a better challenge. This is not a life and death challenge, it is a friendly competetion, I have to straight up my points, I might dont know all of you, but I do respect you. And in the tradition of Eskrima, if anyone who claim better fighter, and claimed that they dont need to prove himself anymore is not a fighter to me. Clear to me, that you just trying to scape from the getting embarrassed. What is the insecurities? If you you know your stuff hey nothing worry.. Excuse ED Subscriber for I have to tell him in Tagalog since he wrote me in tagalog. Hindi ako nag tuturo ng dalawang linggo or isang buwan para maging instructor kaagad. Kahit isang taon ay hindi sapat para maging tagapagturo ng Arnis, para sa akin. Para maiwasan ang pag dami ng mga Eskrimador-Kuno pero tumatakbo sa laban. Rekwest ko lamang sa inyo, test your skills, hindi man sa Tournament namin, sa inyo na ring tournaments. Pero sigurado ko na naiitindihan ako ng inyong Guro. Respeto ng isang Eskrimador, ay nakukuha lamang kung ipapakita mo na hindi ka takot manalo o matalo, its part of the game. Marami na ang mga naunang nag kalat ng mga so called Eskrimador, pero ano ang nakikita ko rito puro lamang salita. Salamat sa lahat ng inyong ginagawa sa ngalan ng Filipino Martial Arts. Pero kung ako ang tatanungin, dapat bang mag bigay ng titulo ng pag tuturo kung walang experience ang isang tagapagturo? Para sa akin walang karapatan silang mag turo kung sa sarili nila hindi nila alam kong epektibo ang kanilang ituturo. Mananaya na lamang ba sa kayo sa "so called", {that what my Guro told me.. } Aasahan ko hindi ko kayo na insulto, ang akin ay maliwanag na invitation lamang, kung inyong papaunlakan, kung hindi sino ako. Isa lamang po akong nag mamalasakit sa FMA. As I told you, I am your friends, and not looking for enemy yet, I just looking for the practitioner that can give me more lesson. If your system is better that what we have, I dont have no reason not beg and asked your Guro to teach me or become one student under your groups. Kaya lamang, hindi dapat tayo maging malambot ang mga puso, maging pusong mamon, kauntit may nag hamon, magagalit kayo, its part of being Arnisadores life of being challenge, being critics, and most of all being attack for no reason at all. Again, if you cannot make it this year, next year, like your instructor name, Espera, meaning Spanish words meaning "Wait", I could wait for next year to see some of you, and be part of your circle of friend. Suportado ko kayo, huwag lamang mag bigay ng mga Certificate to those practitioner that seeking lesson for few days, its not realismo, yes it is rapido, but if you could please give a little pride to the arts. By giving the instructorship Certificate for few days, is not a good to the arts, its good to your groups, may be they dont need to work hard to become instructors. Dont tell me I dont you, I know I been there than that words is not work for me. Show me.. Okay, My only intention is to give other practitioner, to test their skill in competetion without getting killed or beat up so bad. Like everyone saying, we have to be back to work that next day. Now if you guys fight like Dog Brother, show us, nest year, I will open a new rules. If anyone wanted to go to the grouds, let get to works. Let see what the allibi nex year 2005. Okay kabayan, No hurt feelings, is strictly friendly Challenge, no need to get angry. Ang magalit Talo.. Okay Salamat, send my warm words to Guro Henry Espera. BTW. Just to give you an Understanding what we practiced, Garimot system is based on Doce Pares of Laguna, Siete Colores Arnis(Siete Pares, Siete Palo, Siete Tirada , Hukbakahap Laban Tulisan, Pangasinan Cinco Teros, Batangas Tres Puntos, Serrada, Largo Mano, Moro-moro, Mangyan Harimaw Buno, Aetas Lumad. If you find any Garimot System Guro that get their instructorship certificate in one year. Saka mo sabihin na kagaya ko kayo.. Every student of mine understand the circumtances, they need to work hard, for years.. not few Seminar. Thank you, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet GAT International Laguna Arnis Federation International World Harimaw Buno Federation quest@martialartsresource.net writes: > I thinks i have done and i wanted to end this discussions, We are sending > our respect to you and wanted to become friends and hope you will respect us > too. Thanks for the comments and if you have any personal questions contact me > through my Perosnal E- mail address combatpamuok@yahoo.com > > Good lucks my new found friends, lets end this with Respect. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest