Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 03:02:06 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #285 - 2 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: On the Ground:The Grass Hopper Speaks. (Chuck) 2. RE: Poll (1@msfencing.org) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:39:40 -0400 From: Chuck To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: On the Ground:The Grass Hopper Speaks. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello, I have been lurking for many years now and after all this time, I have something to say if it is ok with you guys. Compared to you guys, I am just a small grass hopper so forgive my humble input. On the street, I avoid the ground. I found that out the hard way when I was very young and was attacked by two US Marines just out of boot camp. I got one of the two, yet it went to the ground, and I was not prepared for his friend. Last year at a Bar (I do not drink), some guy who was acting a lot more drunk than he was came up to me, and placed his arm around my shoulder, like we were old buddies, I did not know this guy. I guess he did not like my motor cycle leather jacket, with my Harley patches. Or did not like the way I was checking his girl friend out. I knew exactly what this guy was thinking. He was going to try to get me in a head lock, and go to the ground. I was watching him earlier, and noticed he was with another guy, and a girl. The girl had on high spiked heels. So, the fight would be 3 against 1, and if it went to the ground I would end up with a spiked heel through my temple. I already had a rough cut strategy worked out, which of course would change immediately when the fight started, like it always does, yet I had know intention of letting it go to the ground, yet the only way I could do that was to seriously injure, and probably maim this guy in the process, then move on to person number 2. Remember 3 to 1, with no time to play patty cake. I felt his muscles starting to slowly tense, and I was a nano second from launching a pre-emptive strike, when a bouncer I knew, made eye contact with me and I realized he had been watching the whole thing. Since my reputation had preceded me, that was that I was not a trouble maker, and a pretty laid back guy. The bouncer grabbed the person who had his arm around my shoulder, and through him and his buds out. So for this grass hopper the ground is a big *no* on the street, yet of course we still practice the skill sets needed to deal with it. Because it will eventually happen. P.S. That girl with the spike heels, was gorgeous, and deadly, in so many ways. Be well, be safe, be prepared, heck I am sounding like a boy scout. Chuck --__--__-- Message: 2 From: <1@msfencing.org> To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Poll Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:36:09 -0500 Organization: 1@msfencing.org Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I passed your poll on to one of my fencing students who engaged in a good bit of one-on-one knife combat when he was a member of the US special forces. The following was his reply: ---- The phrasing of this question changes my answer somewhat. Since the question stated "the best chance to survive", my answer would have to be #1: "strike when the enemy start making provocating statements, because it already means a challenge." A preemptive strike with overwhelming force almost always yields your best chance for survival. However, such a response (in a "civilized" world) is often illegal or, at best, unethical. Factoring in this consideration, my "real world" answer would have to be #2: "strike when the enemy starts making provocating physical contacts (push away your head,body,etc.)". Any physical contact can be legally construed to be assault. This may legally be met with only the amount of force necessary to end the encounter. Don't forget though, no SINGLE blow may be considered to be excessive force (so break something serious when you hit them). I would amend response #2 somewhat, however, in that I would respond at the INITIATION of physical contact (in fencing terms, at the initial extension of the arm, constantly menacing the target -- I would not necessarily wait for the lunge). As to the others: 3.. strike when the enemy had his first blow on you, because you don't want to be the one who starts the fight Do you want to run the risk that he believes like you do regarding the first blow? 4.. don't strike as he attack because you believe that it will teach the enemy that violence won't settle anything If you believe this will work, I've got a bridge to sell you. If words have failed up to this point, I don't think a display of non-violence will be successful. Of course, if you would like to try talking with him while he's in his hospital bed, it's worth a shot--seriously. 5.. don't strike as he attack because you don't want to heat up the situation. Heat up? It's ALREADY hot! ---- I also agree with his views in this regard, # 1 if I knew my life depended upon it. # 2 if I was not sure and make that first strike a good one. -------------------------------------- Rez Johnson, M d'A Headmaster: Mississippi Academy of Arms Certified Moniteur d'Escrime (Fleuret, Epee, Sabre): Academie d'Armes Internationale (AAI) Certified Fencing Instructor (Foil, Epee, Saber): United States Fencing Coaches Association (USFCA) Fencing Master Apprentice of Past USFCA President, Robert F. Scranton, Maitre d'Armes Black Belt Instructor, USTFA & TFI (United States Traditional Fencing Association) (Traditional Fencing International) Mississippi Academy of Arms Virtute et Armis - By Valor and Arms Teaching Fencing Since 1980 -------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Magtutudlo [mailto:magtutudlo@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 8:48 AM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Poll Hello All! Question(s): "If you happen be a Martial Artist encountering a visually identified physical assault on your body, the best chance to survive is... 1.. strike when the enemy start making provocating statements, because it already means a challenge 2.. strike when the enemy starts making provocating physical contacts (push away your head,body,etc.) 3.. strike when the enemy had his first blow on you, because you don't want to be the one who starts the fight 4.. don't strike as he attack because you believe that it will teach the enemy that violence won't settle anything 5.. don't strike as he attack because you don't want to heat up the situation. I'll tally all the results and post it here. Salamat Po, Bob _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest