Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 03:01:49 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #287 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Happy Birthday to us (Aaron Alejandro) 2. Re: FFS - Pakal Seminar (Mike Casto) 3. RE:Happy Birthday to us (Harold Evans) 4. Re: Silat Mubai (Todd Ellner) 5. Re: Happy Birthday to us (Felipe Jocano) 6. RE: Grappling and the Definitive FMA Movie (John Montes) 7. Poll (Bobby Indas) 8. Poll (Bobby Indas) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Aaron Alejandro" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Happy Birthday to us Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:58:08 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Congratulations Mr. Terry and Eskrima Digest on your 10th Birthday this month. Bravo for a job well done and keep up the good work. The forum is a great place to gain insight into martial arts discussion and topics of interest to the practicing martial artist. Many thanks. Aaron Alejandro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Terry" To: "Eskrima" Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 2:56 PM Subject: [Eskrima] Happy Birthday to us > The Eskrima digest is 10 years old this month. > > Happy Birthday to us! > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] FFS - Pakal Seminar Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:16:18 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I wish I could make it - but LA is a bit too far away from me. However, having seen Ray Floro's demonstration at this year's Sayoc Kali Sama Sama, I'd definitely recommend that anyone who can should check it out. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jared Dame" To: ; Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: RE: [Eskrima] FFS - Pakal Seminar > I would be very interested in coming down for the seminar, please let me know > the location as well as the particulars. > > Thanks, > > Jared > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marc Scott [mailto:kalisla@yahoo.com] > Sent: Mon 26-Jul-04 14:43 > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Cc: > Subject: [Eskrima] FFS - Pakal Seminar > > Pakal Knife Seminar - Floro Fighting Systems > Where: Los Angeles, CA (Exact Site TBA) > When: August 28th (Saturday) > Cost: $75 > > Marc Scott an instructor under Ray Floro of Floro > Fighting Systems and Kalis Ilustrisimo will be > conducting a five hour training seminar on the Pakal > method of edged weapon combat. > > The pakal grip also called the reverse grip, or ice > pick, is an application specific system of knife use. > The blade is held in the reverse position (tip down) > with the blade facing in. This method creates > increadibly powerful thrust, ripping & shearing > mechanics. > > Participants will learn: > > The Draw > Drawstroke under Pressure > High Ground Theory > Power Thrust > Ground Deployment > Obstacle Disengagement and Clearing > Impact Weapons using Pakal (Pocket Stick) > Intuitive Footwork > Overcoming the Blitz > Fouling the Draw > Defeating a Fouled Draw > > For more information please email Marc at > marcdscott@yahoo.com > http://www.stick-and-knife.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > - Check it out! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > > [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:14:55 -0400 From: Harold Evans To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE:[Eskrima] Happy Birthday to us Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Ray, In regards to "The Eskrima digest is 10 years old this month." Job well done!!! Best regards, Harold Evans Eskrima Digest subscriber --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:09:08 -0700 From: Todd Ellner To: Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Silat Mubai Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net On 7/26/04 1:18 PM, "eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net" wrote: Andrew Maddox writes: >> On Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 10:57:16AM -0500, Stovall, Craig wrote: >>> I saw some videos/DVD's for sale on ebay regarding Silat Mubai...so called >>> "Muslim Silat". > > Well, most silat is Muslim to some degree, so that's no big stretch. (I > used to be pretty focused on pencak silat, under Herman Suwanda, but have > drifted in other directions since his death). > >> www.mubai.cc > > Yah, took a quick look at the site last night, and it seems a little short > on lineage/background/stylistic details. Lots of philosophy and lots of > stuff for sale, including on-line training that looks like it can get you > all the way up to Instructor level, if I was reading the stuff right. I've never met the guy, but a couple of people whose opinions I highly respect (Richard Dobson, Brandt Smith) have and say good things about his skills and background. I'm a little skeptical about video instruction in general, but the material of his that I bought was solid basics. > So, given that (especially the last bit - distance learning of martial > arts, right through your web browser?!?), I'd be a little skeptical of > this. They may well be good fighters, and might be able to teach some > effective stuff, but they seem to be based in Taiwan, so I'd think one > would need to go there to really get much benefit. > > Come to think of it, Taiwan isn't exactly a hotbed of silat. Don't think it > has exactly what you'd call a huge Muslim population, either. The guy is actually West African. How he washed up in Taiwan I don't know. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:51:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Happy Birthday to us To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net We wish us a Happy Birthday, We wish us a Happy Birthday, We wish us a Happy Birthday, Happy Birthday to us!!! ;-) Thanks a lot, Ray, for all the hard work in keeping the Digest going! 10 years, wow! Bot --- Ray Terry wrote: > The Eskrima digest is 10 years old this month. > > Happy Birthday to us! > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:55:06 -0700 (PDT) From: John Montes Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Grappling and the Definitive FMA Movie To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey well, what's cool is that with Escrima, you have a practical self-defense system (weapon/empty-hand), not flowery, etc. By the way, who are you studying under? Me, I'm studying primarily Serrada, but also Largo Mano basic strikes and blocks from my uncle. It's been great, and my uncle has been very very patient with me! I'm still early on in my training, but this is a lifetime passion! I hope it takes ahold of you the same way! Peace and Blessings, ~John --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Bobby Indas" To: Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 23:42:13 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Poll Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Rez, Very Interesting reply. These questions are to get other "experts'" opinions on how to react in situations either in school practice or in real life interaction. If the questions are limited to state to state then the best way to get answers depends on State Laws. Sound fair enough? But these answers are good. Thank you and say thanks to your student. Respectfully, Bobby From: <1@msfencing.org> To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Poll Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:36:09 -0500 Organization: 1@msfencing.org Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I passed your poll on to one of my fencing students who engaged in a good bit of one-on-one knife combat when he was a member of the US special forces. The following was his reply: ---- The phrasing of this question changes my answer somewhat. Since the question stated "the best chance to survive", my answer would have to be #1: "strike when the enemy start making provocating statements, because it already means a challenge." A preemptive strike with overwhelming force almost always yields your best chance for survival. However, such a response (in a "civilized" world) is often illegal or, at best, unethical. Factoring in this consideration, my "real world" answer would have to be #2: "strike when the enemy starts making provocating physical contacts (push away your head,body,etc.)". Any physical contact can be legally construed to be assault. This may legally be met with only the amount of force necessary to end the encounter. Don't forget though, no SINGLE blow may be considered to be excessive force (so break something serious when you hit them). I would amend response #2 somewhat, however, in that I would respond at the INITIATION of physical contact (in fencing terms, at the initial extension of the arm, constantly menacing the target -- I would not necessarily wait for the lunge). As to the others: 3.. strike when the enemy had his first blow on you, because you don't want to be the one who starts the fight Do you want to run the risk that he believes like you do regarding the first blow? 4.. don't strike as he attack because you believe that it will teach the enemy that violence won't settle anything If you believe this will work, I've got a bridge to sell you. If words have failed up to this point, I don't think a display of non-violence will be successful. Of course, if you would like to try talking with him while he's in his hospital bed, it's worth a shot--seriously. 5.. don't strike as he attack because you don't want to heat up the situation. Heat up? It's ALREADY hot! ---- I also agree with his views in this regard, # 1 if I knew my life depended upon it. # 2 if I was not sure and make that first strike a good one. -------------------------------------- --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Bobby Indas" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Poll Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 23:46:16 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Jared, Your response is well noted. And I really appreciate your honest reply. Most of us would consider answering number 2. Thanks again... Sincerely, Bobby Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Poll Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:05:10 -0400 From: "Jared Dame" To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hard to pick which one I would go with an this, between a 1 and a 2. My answer would be 2. (And in certain situations a 1 would be appropriate depending on the environment and if the attacker has friends present) ciao, Jared --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest