Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 03:02:39 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #304 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. cockfighting video (GioSEAMA@aol.com) 2. Burmese Bando Seminars (GioSEAMA@aol.com) 3. Tails of woe: knee injury (Marc Denny) 4. Marc Denny's travails (jay de leon) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: GioSEAMA@aol.com Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 13:38:21 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] cockfighting video Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Gints: I have some my own footage shot in different parts of the world as well as portions of shows on cock fighting. If you email I can put some of the material together for you. Vincent --__--__-- Message: 2 From: GioSEAMA@aol.com Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 13:43:38 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Burmese Bando Seminars Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Master Robert Maxwell will conduct a Burmese Bando Combatives seminar in New York City on October 2nd and 3rd. Dr. Maung Gyi will be folllowing that with a Dhanda Yoga seminar in New York City on December 11 and 12. After that we are setting up a seminar for those interested on the Mon School of Krabi Krabong with the oldest living grandmaster of this system in which he will focus on functional usage of the single and double sword. For further information contact: NYCAinfo@aol.com or call 212 696 6834 --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 13:00:47 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Tails of woe: knee injury Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: Karol wrote: > Crafty, I noticed on a recent posting that you had > multiple injuries to your knee which you got repaired. > Did you get all the procedures done at one operation? > If so what was your recovery time. Has your recovery > been pretty complete in regards to a person who > practices Kali / Silat and other martial arts on a > high level? I only ask because in the near future I > may have to get an ACL replacement as well as some > meniscus work done and am trying to get some feedback > from other people in the FMA's who might have had > something similar done and how it effected there > training. I have talked to other people who have had > ACL work done but then of course they aren't planning > on doing any sempok, depok, type motions or stick > fighting. > > Karol "Ungoy" Krauser Here's my tail of woe Karol. Make of it what you will. In 1992 we were doing judo throws as part of BJJ warm-ups. I was tired and my partner was 6'7" (former defensive end in high school football). I don't know the Japanese name of the throw, but it involved the right arm underhooking the other man's left and reaping the left leg using the right with the back to other man, left leg planting outside of other man's left foot. The only problem was that my hyper partner stepped ON my left foot with his left and continued anyway with the reaping motion. The net result was that my left knee was suddenly and decisively bent sideways. The ACL, the PCL and the Lateral Collateral Ligament were all instantly snapped in half. It was very, very painful. The doctors were relieved that the peroneal nerve had not been snapped as well. This would have caused permanent loss of control over the ankle. All three ligaments were replaced in one surgery by tendons from cadavers. These being non-blood tissue there is no issue of rejection as there can be in organ transplants. And, these being non-blood tissue, it takes a long time for the cadavers' tendons to become one with one's body. I began rehab. The physical therapist told me that I should be able to play a light game of tennis but give up all thought of my previous level of activity. I fired him. After several months it became apparent that one of the ligaments (ACL?PCL?) was entirely too slack and that a second surgery would be necessary. The doctor was very happy with the second surgery, but the tissue went necrotic (doctorese for "it died"). This became apparent via extreme night sweats and other symptoms. A third surgery was necessary. Fortunately this one came out OK. Because the surgeries stretched out over 5-6 months, my rehab process was not typical. The extended amount of time on one leg created substantial imbalances in my body (my left thigh was about the size of my right calf) and efforts to exert created new problems. The core problem was that my "X" was off (hence my stride) the X being the line from foot to opposite hand for each foot. The intersection of these two lines is the sacrum and due to the imbalance my right pelvis-sacral joint connection would continuously dislocate which necessitated 2-3 trips a week to the chiropractor. (Tangent: Although it was a 1 hour trip, I went Dr. Shelly Bosten of Santa Monica-- recommended by Guro I. VERY GOOD, lots of stuntmen and athletes go to her. Lots of little stories there-- meeting Lou Ferrigno, the time Hot Dog had words with World Kickboxing Champion Dennis Alexio and Brian Bosworth without knowing who either of them was, and more. Currently Dr. B is on the road with Madonna as her personal chiro.) My injury occurred in September of 1992 and I fought again for the first time in March of 1994, and returned to taking all comers in September of 1994. The continuous dislocation of the hip continued however until about 1998. Dr. B. thought that the joint had become permanently unstable. Getting ready to fight often involved considerable effort-- and sums of money-- with Dr. B and various body work people as well as in the gym and in training. Yet I would say that I did some of my best fighting during these years. The deteriorated ability to explode off the left leg led me in 1995 to enter seriously into double stick fighting. During these years there were times of considerable discouragement. The instability of the hip joint also led to a weak lower back and poor hip movement in BJJ. To this day I am unhappy with my BJJ. However somewhere around 1998 Guro I. introduced me to Barrance Baytos, body worker extraordinaire (Egoscue and many other methodologies). BB works on Olympic sprinters, is the personal masseur to Kobe Bryant, etc. Best knowledge of the muscular-skeletal system of anyone I have ever met. He discovered that my left hamstring had adhered to the femur, thus deforming my motion. He released it. This was a key step forward. Around 1999(?) Guro I. introduced me to Ann Barber, his gyrotonics-pilates teacher. Amazing teacher and amazing stuff. And after about two years with Ann my hip no longer dislocated and I now need to go to the chiro only occasionally. During all this time, I continued to do my own work as well-- reclaiming oneself cannot be done from the outside I think-- all the outside help can be vital, it can help one rediscover where true alignment is, but the work must be done by you. One of the most helpful for me has been doing "the Dune" in Manhattan Beach. At present my range of motion in the left knee is slightly less than the right, but I can squat 255lbs for 5 reps. As for my twisting silat motions, I am reminded of the joke about the man who asks his doctor if he will be able to play the piano when his broken hand heals. "Yes." says the doc. "That's great! I couldn't play at all before!" replies the man. The point being I didn't do twisting silat motions well before my injury and I don't do them well now. :-) The point of this long-winded and self-pitying tale is that with Intent you can make more happen than you may realize at this time. From the little you mention in your post, I suspect your injuries to be substantially less than mine, and the technology involved has had 12 years to evolve since my injury. If my injury had happened 12 years earlier than it did, science probably would have been unable to help me and I would probably be a gimp. As it is, I am as I am. BTW, thank god we don't have nationalized health care! Not only would this technology not have evolved if the government were running things, but if you think health care is expensive now, wait until they make it free! The near $50,000 in bills for the surgeries and rehab cost me about $8,000 out of pocket with my insurance picking up the rest. Truly a bargain! Woof, Crafty Dog --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 17:28:51 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Marc Denny's travails Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Marc Denny wrote: "I don't know the Japanese name of the throw, but it involved the right arm underhooking the other man's left and reaping the left leg using the right with the back to other man, left leg planting outside of other man's left foot." It's been a while, but it sounds like the dreaded "uchi-mata." or inner thigh throw. Of course, if he stepped ON your left foot with his left foot, then it's a modified "uchi-mata" and my Japanese (or my judo) is too limited for that. Jay de Leon --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest