Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 03:01:49 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #321 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Inayan Videos (Steve Klement) 2. Re "swinging from his noodle" (Marc Macyoung) 3. re: Knives, violence and related hassles (Marc Macyoung) 4. The Three Animals of Eskrima (Felipe Jocano) 5. Re: quality of INAYAN DVDs (ABANICO) 6. RE: References (marko.ronkainen@nokia.com) 7. RE: Geology pun (Jesse Greenawalt) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Steve Klement Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:46:20 -0400 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Inayan Videos Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Mr. Klimanis - Please blame me for the delayed reply. It is my duty to reply to these types of emails but I have been completely buried since returning from the Inayan European Camp in France last week. In any case, The DVD's are remastered from the source and of really nice quality. I actually have viewed them in DVD format and am very pleased with the quality that Abanico Productions (Dieter Knüttel) did with them. They also have the standard DVD menu so that you can go to the different lessons/sections with a quick push of a button. As Masirib Hanosh mentioned here earlier, you can order the DVD's (and/or VHS tapes) directly from the ISI web site's store and they are shipped from the ISI headquarters (his location) in California. Please let me know if you have any other questions. -- Steve Klement Inayan Masirib Guro www.inayaneskrima.com klement@inayaneskrima.com Inayan Systems International > Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 01:56:32 -0700 > From: Gints Klimanis > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Inayan Videos > > Hi, > > Has anyone on this list seen the new Inayan DVDs ? > Are these DVDs real DVDs at DVD resolution ? A lot of martial arts > DVDs are simply recordings > of the original VHS, and I'm certainly not paying for that. Since I > already have just about every > Inayan VHS video, only a higher resolution video on DVD would be worth > the reinvestment. > The Inayan Serrada videos are well-produced and executed. > > I've emailed Guro Hanosh twice but have not received a reply on this > matter. > > Thanks for any info, > Gints Klimanis --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Marc Macyoung" To: Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 21:34:22 -0600 Subject: [Eskrima] Re "swinging from his noodle" Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > "If after darting out of the way, you grab his noodle > and are swinging like Tarzan on a vin e from it, he > ain't > attacking. He may want to, but he's got something else > he has to attend to." > You had just been talking about attacking the support > structure - specifically taking out the legs. So I'm > not sure here - what do you mean "swinging from his > noodle"? > Feel free to swear if it helps to clarify... > JK Hey I may not have to swear on this one because it is pretty much a straight-forward technical explination. You can disrupt someone's structure from many different directions. And that means from the top too. Basically if after blading to the side (or if you're really fleet of feet, scurried around behind him) you reach up and grab his head with both hands. The action you want to create is rolling his head over his back (a'la Peyton Quinn's Alien). It helps if you can interlace your fingers, but a good solid grip works pretty well. This is not a muscle move because your forward momentum is being delivered through the structure of your arms. This moves his head as long as you don't go "spaghetti arm" on him. Once you have a strong grip on him and his head moving over his back, shoulders then, with your best Tarzan ooglyboogly yell, you pick up your feet and drop about a foot, before catching yourself. Now this isn't a move that you want to do on a smaller opponent if you are much, much larger because if you go to far (especially easy to do when you are much bigger than your opponent) you can really bust someone's head. For a larger opponent, once you get the guy falling you let go. In cases where I don't want to hurt the guy and/or I have to control him, after I get him toppling over, I quit accelerating him, but keeping a hand under the back of his head. This guards his head against being cracked open. Then I use his bounce to flip him over into a control hold. Yeah, there are all kinds of tricks, twists and tweaks that you can put in there to make sure the guy doesn't ever get up again, but I don't teach those to civilians without serious, serious lecture time on use of force, psychological impact of combat and the long term effect of use of lethal force. M --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Marc Macyoung" To: Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:42:49 -0600 Subject: [Eskrima] re: Knives, violence and related hassles Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Smeagol said >You work your way in under > cover of something else until you get into position to strike. And you do so > with serious force before the guy has a chance to rally" > For us in the vanilla world, can you give some specific examples? I know you > keep the best stuff for seminars and I understand that, but maybe just a > little taste? Please? > Michael Koblic I collect creative robbery stories. Perhaps one of the best robbery strategies I ever heard was the guy who was robbed by a guy walking up speaking Spainish in a very confused tone of voice. In his hands -- that were held out in plain view in front of him -- the guy had a wad of money. Naturally the victim was looking at the cash. When the mugger got close enough, his left hand whipped away the money, revealing the knife in his right hand. Pressing said knife up against the victim's throat he said...in perfect English..."Give me your money!" I have covered different examples of "interviews" in my video "Safe in the Street: How to recognize and avoid violent street crime" The regular interview is commonly used. Regular interviews often are predicated on the illusion of normalacy. (e.g. approaching you in a parking lot asking for jumper cables, directions, cigarette, time etc., etc.,) Now coming from my own personal experience. I used to carry a walking stick. Okay, it was a club, I knew it, the cops knew it and the guys whose heads threatened to wack knew it. Thing was as a walking stick/cane it was pretty much a legal gray area until I actually did crack someone. Okay, for reasons that I am not going to go into right now, I was walking home and I was somewhat....errrr... distracted. (There's a reason I am such a big advocate of situational awareness, as this story will explain one of the incidents that tipped me off to its importance). So anyway there I was crossing the intersection of Venice and Lincoln deeply involved in what was going on inside my head. Next thing I know I hear the sound of running feet coming up fast from behind. Oops! Get back on the clock! I whip around in my absolute best stick fighting mode ready to split some wigs of any would be attacker(s). Well....now...that was fine and dandy, except for one thing. I was just a guy carrying a six pack trying to beat the yellow light. This guy's eyes were about the size of saucers, because from his very legitimate standpoint, there he was minding his own business and this little manaic with a club is about to bust his head. Thing is I managed to check my swing before I hit him. Well, that's reall nice except for one thing. Now that I didn't hit him, he went on the verbal offensive. Hell, he was justifiably scared and angry. I apologized and told him that his running up behind me had sacred me. He wasn't buying it and got more and more aggresive. Thing was he got in my face and I told him in no uncertain terms that while the first time would have been a mistake, the second one wouldn't be. And he was rapidly heading towards crossing my "don't make it easier to (fill in the blank) than it is to (fill in the blank), 'cause you won't like the anwer" line. Okay, so I wasn't that nice or reasonable, come to think of it I might have even used some harsh language to get my point across. Realizing that I was going to fandango on his face, he suddenly backed off. He made all kinds of conciliatory, de-escalating remarks and ended with "You be cool man" and then darted across Venice Blvd. Here boys and girls is where I really screwed the pooch. Instead of watching him, I returned to my thoughts. Next thing I know I hear running feet again. I look up and here is the guy running at me swinging one of the old fashion jacks (the ones that are long, metal, weigh about five pounds and are seriously weighted on one end courtesy of the large chunk of steel on the end). Needless to say his language was less than pristine as he tried to cave in my skull. I took one look at that jack and one look at my modified kali stick and said "No way Jose!" There was no way that my smaller lighter stick was going to stand up against the jack's superior momentum...and that bad boy had all kinds of momentum with the guy swinging it. He had greater weight and reach on me and no amount of training, ferocity or "toughness" was going to win this one. Yes indeedy do folks...the mighty Animal ran like a rabbit...I mean I beat feet so hard that I should have gotten a speeding ticket. Fortunately, when it came to legging it I was the faster of the two. Needless to say, after that I became a really big advocate of paying attention to your surroundings, a couple of other points about personal safety and far better tactics than I had displayed in this situation. So there you have an example of someone who used the "hey it's cool" dodge to lull me into dropping my guard, then he backed up on me. He knew in the intial head to head he couldn't win, so he pretended to calm down so I wouldn't open a can of whup ass on him and then ran and got himself a superior weapon. One that would allow him to win. So there is another example of the tactics that are used out there. M --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 01:27:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Felipe Jocano To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] The Three Animals of Eskrima Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Bobbe, Karol & Clint; I was reading your posts over the past few days about your animal names...:-) Bobbe, fyi there's more than one kind of baboy - there's the wild boar, baboy damo (literally grass pig) aka baboy ramo. Mean ones too and fierce. Anyway... Your postings about your monikers got me to do a little bit of browsing in Phil. folklore (I teach an introductory course on Phil folklore at the University). Interestingly, boars have a reputation for fierceness (same for most other cultures where boars are a part of the natural environment). Monkeys (and apes) are cunning (and sneaky) by nature. And rats, as Clint pointed out are quick and agile. Thinking about it, it seems that your animal monikers have qualities that arnisadors/eskrimadors should or could emulate - the fierceness of the boar, the cunning of the monkey (or ape) and the agility of the rat. Being called baboy, unggoy or ilaga ain't so bad.... Bot P.S. Clint, are you originally from Iloilo, Negros or Mindanao? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:01:52 +0200 From: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de (ABANICO) Organization: ABANICO GmbH & Co KG To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: quality of INAYAN DVDs Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >From: Gints Klimanis >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Inayan Videos > >Hi, > >Has anyone on this list seen the new Inayan DVDs ? >Are these DVDs real DVDs at DVD resolution ? A lot of martial arts DVDs are simply recordings of the original VHS, and I'm certainly not paying for that. Since I already have just about every Inayan VHS video, only a higher resolution video on DVD would be worth the reinvestment. >The Inayan Serrada videos are well-produced and executed. > > Hello Mr. Kilimanis, the videos were filmed on a professional MII and DV systems and were edited on the professional MII system again. This is broadcast quality. All VHS copies were made from this. The DVDs show the full quality of the original and are not made from the VHS copies but from the high quality masters. So the DVDs are in quality higher than the videos: They have menus too, so you can get directly to the different chapters. >I've emailed Guro Hanosh twice but have not received a reply on this matter. > > Perhaps he was out of town. Cory: how are the DVDs in qualirty compared to the videos? I hope that helped and answered your questions. Best regards from Germany Dieter Knüttel ABANICO --__--__-- Message: 6 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] References Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:51:39 +0300 From: To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > -----Original Message----- > From: ext Clint Cayson [mailto:Ccayson@bocaresort.com] > Sent: 25 August, 2004 22:03 > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] References > > > Hello, > > I was just wondering if there are books, videos or other > reference materials > for Pekiti Tersia I can buy? Or an online purchase. Please > let me know. > Thanks in advance. > > > Peace, > Clint Hi Clint, see http://www.ryukyu.com/id130.html#filipino "Dynamic Kali Knife Defense" by Akmeed K. Boouraca. I think it is the only book on Pekiti-Tirsia. However, on the PTK Pittbulls NY forum AK said that there will be a sequel coming plus also a book by Grand Tuhon Gaje himself. Besides that I don't think there are any official books. Also, you might want to check different online forums where GT Gaje frequently writes for some info: http://www.knifefighting.com/forum/index.html http://www.pekiti-tirsia.net/forum/index.php?days=10000&js=0&open=a%3A7%3A%7B i%3A691%3Bi%3A1%3Bi%3A689%3Bi%3A0%3Bi%3A681%3Bi%3A0%3Bi%3A671%3Bi%3A0%3Bi%3A6 65%3Bi%3A0%3Bi%3A626%3Bi%3A0%3Bi%3A18%3Bi%3A0%3B%7D http://www.customfighting.com/discussion/Default.htm http://members2.boardhost.com/ptpitbulls-ny/index.html http://www.texaskali.org/forum/index.php Besides a few video clips around the internet I don't think there are any videos. GT Gajes has said that he prefers hands-on training to videos and that's the reason there are no official Pekiti-Tirsia Kali videos available (sanctioned by GT Gaje). However, you can find some videos at Pekiti Tirsia International website (http://www.pekiti.com), also "Surviving Edged Weapons" police training video (see http://store.yahoo.com/centralpolice/suredweap.html) has some footage of GT Gaje (and Guro Dan Inosanto). Also, the Dog Brothers video "Grandfathers Spea" (see http://dogbrothers.com/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=38) has some GT Gaje footage. Hope this helps. - Marko --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Jesse Greenawalt" To: Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 06:35:46 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Geology pun Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >From: "fullofschist@juno.com" >Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 03:35:59 GMT >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [Eskrima] Knives (reply to Bobby Edmonds in ED317) >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Watch it or I'll shrink *your* head and put it on my favourite rattan >stick. ;-) >'Full of schist' is a bad, yet classic geologists' pun. Yeah, I know, we're >weird.Just don't take me for granite! Heh. That's very gneiss... --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest