Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 03:01:49 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #322 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Fw: GrandMaster Cabales (William Freiburger) 2. South Florida Kadena De Mano (POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com) 3. FW: I didn't know kali comes from Spain... (Burton Sousa (Toronto)) 4. Re: re: Knives, violence and related hassles (steven ledwith) 5. RE: list slow, fyi (1@msfencing.org) 6. Re: take out the structure (Marc Macyoung) 7. Re: Re "swinging from his noodle" (Felipe Jocano) 8. Re: the three animals of eskrima (Karol Krauser) 9. The Three Animals of Eskrima (Felipe Jocano) (Clint Cayson) 10. Inayan DVDs (wbebinger@comcast.net) 11. Re: list slow, fyi (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "William Freiburger" To: Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:20:38 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Fw: GrandMaster Cabales Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net ----- Original Message ----- From: William Freiburger To: Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 8:57 AM Subject: GrandMaster Cabales Hi, I have been researching Escrima for about 2 months now and I have been trying to access GrandMaster Vincent Cabales Website to no avail and I just get an answering machine when I call. Also, I am trying to find a couple of Video's by JC Cabiero. These Video's , " Foundation" & "The Nucleus" are referenced in his book, The Pure Art Of Cabales Serrada Escrima. Does anybody have knowledge of these videos? Thanks. Bill --__--__-- Message: 2 From: POWERFACTOR71839@aol.com Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:48:14 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] South Florida Kadena De Mano Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > I currently train with a gentleman name Marty Ferrick, Hanshi > I remember Marty. He was under Rex Lee, who was under Moses Powell, correct?? He used to teach at the YMCA off of South Federal. I'd love to watch one of his classes. Shoot me an email, please. Tom Furman--www.physicalstrategies.com--powerfactor71839@aol.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Burton Sousa (Toronto)" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:02:49 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] FW: I didn't know kali comes from Spain... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello All, Just a clarification regarding the Vin Diesel posting, quoting him as having said that he was, "...training in a fighting style called Kali, which originated in Spain and was then brought to the Philippines by Spanish traders." Where Mr. Diesel obtained his historical knowledge from is not clear, but it is not what is taught at Kali De Leon,(KDL). We do not believe Kali to be a Spanish imported martial art, but an indigenous FMA. Mr. Diesel trained with several of the most senior and skilled KDL practitioners, prior to and during the shooting of his movie, to give him a basic understanding in FMA's skills. All parties involved with his FMA/KDL training are not only highly skilled FMA practitioners and professional stuntmen, but are also well aware of the history of the FMA's and their origins as taught at KDL. Gumagalang, Burton de Castro Sousa, Proud Member of Kali De Leon --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:07:16 -0700 (PDT) From: steven ledwith Subject: Re: [Eskrima] re: Knives, violence and related hassles To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net --- Marc Macyoung wrote: Regular interviews often > are predicated on the > illusion of normalacy. (e.g. approaching you in a > parking lot asking for > jumper cables, directions, cigarette, time etc., > etc.,) Good stuff as always Marc. I recently had the direction approach tried on me and my girl while we were in a target parking lot. As I was working on our classic VW she was sitting in the truck next to me with the door open. I heard someone walking across the lot and turned to see a young guy approaching us. Of course my alarms went off when the guy walked right up to me. I did all the normal scans in a second and saw no immediate threat but the guy got to close if ya know what I mean. The thing that was funny is that this guy "asking for directions" kept trying to get between me and my girl, AIN'T gonna happen. Eventually this guy realized he wasn't going to get anywhere with me and made his exit appropriately. I then had to educate my woman, she never realized the guy was a threat, but she did notice me blocking his attempts to get between us. It amazes me the things I take I notice instinctively that others never even realize is a threat. I would love to see a video of me and that guy dancing in the parking lot though. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --__--__-- Message: 5 From: <1@msfencing.org> To: Cc: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] list slow, fyi Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:51:36 -0500 Organization: 1@msfencing.org Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ray, >>fyi... the list may be slow over the next few days >>while I'm attending the huge semi-annual Korean >>martial arts festival / seminars down in Mississippi. Where in Mississippi will you be? Will you be teaching or demonstrating any Eskrima while here? If so, I'm in the Jackson area and would definitely like to attend. Blessings, Rez Johnson "Standing guard on old, forgotten roads, that no one travels anymore." THE FENCING MASTER by Arturo Perez Rez Johnson, M d'A Headmaster: Mississippi Academy of Arms (Mississippi Fencing Academy) President: United States Traditional Fencing Association Certified Fencing Instructor: (USTFA, TFI, AAI, USFCA) Certified Fencing Master Apprentice: (USTFA, USFCA) Teaching Classical Fencing and Historical Swordsmanship since 1980 Modern Sport Fencing Coach 1980 - 2002 Mississippi Academy of Arms P.O. Box 955 Pelahatchie, MS 39145-0955 E-Mail: 1@MSFencing.org Academy Website: http://MSFencing.org USTFA Website: http://traditionalfencing.org --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Marc Macyoung" To: Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:00:45 -0600 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: take out the structure Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: sdrape@kbs-system.com > I have another story of leaving a bar after hearing gunshots to find two guys > in a clinch on the ground, and the guy on the bottom was in serious trouble > from the hands wrapped around his neck, in fact spent time in the hospital > because of the trauma to his trachea. We got the guy off him, then found that > the guy doing the strangling had been shot four times in the chest with a .357 > Magnum. He died shortly thereafter, and the guy we "saved" went to prison. > (where he was killed for shooting the other guy, but that's a different story!) > My point is simply that hands or knives (and obviously even guns) don't > guarantee anything in that short, infinitely expanded time period when stuff is > going down. Bingo...the over reliance on a super-duper tool often eclipses remembering to put in the other factors necessary for personal safety, like moving off line, controlling range and of course disrupting his structure so he can't keep on attacking. And in far more general sense, common sense and awareness...as the guy I knew in my youth who was found dead in the alley stabbed from behind several times, his much touted gun still in it's holster. The fact that effectiveness is a cocktail of several elements is one of the hardest things to train and ingrain into students. What makes it most difficult is the reaction I commonly get "I know that already" or "We do that in my style"...but when the rubber meets the road, they do everything but those things that make for effectiveness. Ah dat ol' debble adrenalin... You know it is ingrained when it is still present under the influence of adrenalin -- and a few other things. M --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 01:25:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re "swinging from his noodle" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Marc, When I first read your post, something else came to mind...:-) but now this makes sense. For me at least. Reminds me of a similar move in silat... Bot --- Marc Macyoung wrote: > > "If after darting out of the way, you grab his > noodle > > and are swinging like Tarzan on a vin e from it, > he > > ain't > > attacking. He may want to, but he's got something > else > > he has to attend to." > >> Hey I may not have to swear on this one because it > is pretty much a > straight-forward technical explination. > > You can disrupt someone's structure from many > different directions. And that > means from the top too. Basically if after blading > to the side (or if you're > really fleet of feet, scurried around behind him) > you reach up and grab his > head with both hands. The action you want to create > is rolling his head over > his back (a'la Peyton Quinn's Alien). _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 04:26:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Karol Krauser To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: the three animals of eskrima Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Bobbe, Karol & Clint; I was reading your posts over the past few days about your animal names...:-) Bobbe, fyi there's more than one kind of baboy - there's the wild boar, baboy damo (literally grass pig) aka baboy ramo. Mean ones too and fierce. Anyway... Your postings about your monikers got me to do a little bit of browsing in Phil. folklore (I teach an introductory course on Phil folklore at the University). Interestingly, boars have a reputation for fierceness (same for most other cultures where boars are a part of the natural environment). Monkeys (and apes) are cunning (and sneaky) by nature. And rats, as Clint pointed out are quick and agile. Thinking about it, it seems that your animal monikers have qualities that arnisadors/eskrimadors should or could emulate - the fierceness of the boar, the cunning of the monkey (or ape) and the agility of the rat. Being called baboy, unggoy or ilaga ain't so bad.... Bot P.S. Clint, are you originally from Iloilo, Negros or Mindanao? Of course the monkey "ungoy" and the rat "ilaga" are infinitely more intelligent and aesthetically more pleasing than the pig... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:46:59 -0400 From: "Clint Cayson" To: Subject: [Eskrima] The Three Animals of Eskrima (Felipe Jocano) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Bot, Thanks for that instant description of ILAGA. Originally, I was born in Cebu City and raised and educated in Mindanao. Iligan City to be exact where lots of different ethnic races live. Way back, most kids play and we used to run a lot and hide and sneak to other kids without noticing. the games which require running, hiding and sneaking are pretty much easy for me. That's why they call me ILAGA. Most of the time I thought that it was a tease. Calling name names in our country sometimes construed ones feeling or a freak. Well, I had my share of fun growing up. Where are you teaching at? Respectfully, Clint P.s. I'm still fluent in native dialects. TY. [[XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX]] I was reading your posts over the past few days about your animal names...:-) Bobbe, fyi there's more than one kind of baboy - there's the wild boar, baboy damo (literally grass pig) aka baboy ramo. Mean ones too and fierce. Anyway... Your postings about your monikers got me to do a little bit of browsing in Phil. folklore (I teach an introductory course on Phil folklore at the University). Interestingly, boars have a reputation for fierceness (same for most other cultures where boars are a part of the natural environment). Monkeys (and apes) are cunning (and sneaky) by nature. And rats, as Clint pointed out are quick and agile. Thinking about it, it seems that your animal monikers have qualities that arnisadors/eskrimadors should or could emulate - the fierceness of the boar, the cunning of the monkey (or ape) and the agility of the rat. Being called baboy, unggoy or ilaga ain't so bad.... Bot P.S. Clint, are you originally from Iloilo, Negros or Mindanao? --__--__-- Message: 10 From: wbebinger@comcast.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:17:56 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Inayan DVDs Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I recently purchased all the Inayan DVDs and I think the videoe quality is GREAT! As for how they were made from the master video, I can't say. The more important aspect to me is the quality of the content. Suro Mike Inay brings a high level of thought and perspective to the instruction. --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] list slow, fyi To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >>fyi... the list may be slow over the next few days > >>while I'm attending the huge semi-annual Korean > >>martial arts festival / seminars down in Mississippi. > > Where in Mississippi will you be? > Will you be teaching or demonstrating any Eskrima while here? > > If so, I'm in the Jackson area and would definitely like to attend. In Jackson at the Holiday Inn North. I'm not teaching knife this time. Decided to do pressure points instead... Stop by if you get a chance. 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